The Elder Scrolls needs a new Map : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Mon May 07, 2012 3:28 pm

http://images.uesp.net/c/c3/TamrielMap.jpg is accurate to the 3rd Era. Since then things have happend in the lore that would change the map. I think we need a new map of Tamriel.

1. The Ministry of Truth fell, I'm guessing there would be a pretty large crater in Vvardenfell
2. The Summerset Isle has been re-named Alinor
3. The island Artaeum in the Summerset Isle has dissapered
4. Crippled Morrwind was conqured by the Argonians, I think Morrowind would become part of Black Marsh or be shown as occupied by it

Anyone else know of any others?

» Mon May 07, 2012 10:08 pm

The province of Elsweyr separated into the old kingdoms of Pellitine and Anequina, respectively the southern and northern part of Elsweyr.

As for Morrowind. I don't think it's been mentioned how much of Morrowind was conquered by the argonians, but I assume they only took back the southern parts, that which was originally theirs from olden times.

The Aldmeri Dominion might need a mention as well. From what I gather, they've taken parts of hammerfell. :biggrin:

» Tue May 08, 2012 2:36 am

http://imperial-library.info/sites/default/files/gallery_files/Tamriel4E_LadyNerevar.jpg

» Mon May 07, 2012 2:13 pm

Slap "Shady Grove" on there, and we'll have one helluva map on our hands.

» Mon May 07, 2012 10:03 pm

Hm Yes we need a new map,Who made that map in your link? i have of course seen it before but is it officiial? when did bethesda made it?

» Tue May 08, 2012 3:31 am

Hm Yes we need a new map,Who made that map in your link? i have of course seen it before but is it officiial? when did bethesda made it?

As the link says, I made it a little while back.

I've updated my post above with a better version (larger, less compression artifacts).

» Tue May 08, 2012 2:34 am

We need a map showing Cathnoquey, not just Tamriel (other maps included Pyandonea so why not)?

» Tue May 08, 2012 4:15 am

The only way to make a perfect TES map would be to get all the devs in a room and have them draw out the areas that they personally made or contributed most to.

» Mon May 07, 2012 4:19 pm

Someone on another board made http://imageshack.us/f/88/tamrielinthe4therabytza.png/. They said they didn't know and tried to "fill in the blanks" so to speak.

» Mon May 07, 2012 3:45 pm

These maps need more Scathing Bay.

» Tue May 08, 2012 2:45 am

Do we know exactly how large the Scathing Bay is?

» Mon May 07, 2012 2:31 pm

Do we know exactly how large the Scathing Bay is?

Replace the Ascadian Isles with it and it'll probably be about right.

» Tue May 08, 2012 2:09 am

Someone on another board made http://imageshack.us/f/88/tamrielinthe4therabytza.png/. They said they didn't know and tried to "fill in the blanks" so to speak.

Don't think that map is accurate. In Skyrim you hear Dunmer talking about returning to Mournhold. Mournhold, which is in Argonian territory in that map, should be part of Morrowind.

» Mon May 07, 2012 2:11 pm

Don't think that map is accurate. In Skyrim you hear Dunmer talking about returning to Mournhold. Mournhold, which is in Argonian territory in that map, should be part of Morrowind.

At this point it seems likely the mixture od Dunmer and Argonian in Morrowind is not that one sided, whoever officially has power. Mournhold may well be under Argonian control.

» Mon May 07, 2012 10:17 pm

At this point it seems likely the mixture od Dunmer and Argonian in Morrowind is not that one sided, whoever officially has power. Mournhold may well be under Argonian control.

I seriously doubt a war between these two people would end with Mournhold in Argonian hands, unless the Dunmer were completely subjegated or killed and if that was the case no Dunmer would want to move back...

» Tue May 08, 2012 3:14 am

I seriously doubt a war between these two people would end with Mournhold in Argonian hands, unless the Dunmer were completely subjegated or killed and if that was the case no Dunmer would want to move back...

Much as I would agree with you, I think with the palace being sacked (Bare~ Crown taken) and likely Helseth and family killed, it is very likely that Mournhold is either a warzone or just held by argonians. We don't know for sure how the fighting currently is, but I figure it has tapered off and the Argonians might even let people return. Who knows? Perhaps the elves just don't know the fate and are going to their deaths.

» Tue May 08, 2012 4:39 am

Much as I would agree with you, I think with the palace being sacked (Bare~ Crown taken) and likely Helseth and family killed, it is very likely that Mournhold is either a warzone or just held by argonians. We don't know for sure how the fighting currently is, but I figure it has tapered off and the Argonians might even let people return. Who knows? Perhaps the elves just don't know the fate and are going to their deaths.

Sacked doesn't necessarily mean held by the opposing force. The Imperial City was sacked by the Dominion, and it's still in Imperial hands as of the end of the Great War.

They do state that Mournhold is still standing, so the destruction of Morrowind wasn't as total as the book made it out to be (which was absolute). I really hope that something comes out related to this. As I have said, I think a Morrowind DLC would very much fit with the themes Skyrim is portraying- old vs. new. Maybe the quest line could be resolving a dispute between a Great House and those who don't follow the Houses anymore.

» Tue May 08, 2012 3:33 am

Someone on another board made http://imageshack.us/f/88/tamrielinthe4therabytza.png/. They said they didn't know and tried to "fill in the blanks" so to speak.

Other problems with this map would be the boarder between Anequina and Pellitine. Anequina covers all of northern Elsweyr, including Rimmen in the norheast.

Another point; i think Thras is southwest of Alinor, not north of it.

» Mon May 07, 2012 6:26 pm

Much as I would agree with you, I think with the palace being sacked (Bare~ Crown taken) and likely Helseth and family killed, it is very likely that Mournhold is either a warzone or just held by argonians. We don't know for sure how the fighting currently is, but I figure it has tapered off and the Argonians might even let people return. Who knows? Perhaps the elves just don't know the fate and are going to their deaths.

It could be that the city was actually sacked, or it could be that the crown was just stollen. We have to little information on it. Personally I think the crown was stolen as a normal theft. Should the city have fallen into Argonian hands at one time however, which is possible I admit, then still I think the Dunmer by now have it back...

But as you said we don't have any real information on this, so it's just speculation.

» Mon May 07, 2012 8:08 pm

Here is some basic information:

- The Argonian invasion reaches at least as far north as Red Mountain (in latitude). Once they hold the province, they make no effort to colonize or rule.
Source: http://www.imperial-library.info/content/fourth-era

- Ash distribution and Argonian invasion (inaccurate since the Argonians made it as far north as Red Mountain in latitude.
Source: http://www.imperial-library.info/content/infernal-takeaways?page=3

» Tue May 08, 2012 1:19 am

Here is some basic information:

- The Argonian invasion reaches at least as far north as Red Mountain (in latitude). Once they hold the province, they make no effort to colonize or rule.
Source: http://www.imperial-library.info/content/fourth-era

I haven't gotten around to reading Lord of Souls yet, but The Infernal City definitely says otherwise. About midway through Chapter 9, Kindle locations 4658-4659: "Of course, those who settled in southern Morrowind were likely regretting it now, as Umbriel moved over their villages."

» Mon May 07, 2012 6:38 pm

The LoS quote is directly from the book. My assumption would be that while there is/was settlement in the south (the parts that are still jungle), they weren't concerned with the rest of the province, much of which was ash according to IFC.

» Mon May 07, 2012 9:29 pm

It could be that the city was actually sacked, or it could be that the crown was just stollen. We have to little information on it. Personally I think the crown was stolen as a normal theft. Should the city have fallen into Argonian hands at one time however, which is possible I admit, then still I think the Dunmer by now have it back...

The http://www.imperial-library.info/content/guide-better-thieving suggests that it was stolen, most likely sometime around the oblivion crisis.

» Tue May 08, 2012 5:07 am

I haven't gotten around to reading Lord of Souls yet, but The Infernal City definitely says otherwise. About midway through Chapter 9, Kindle locations 4658-4659: "Of course, those who settled in southern Morrowind were likely regretting it now, as Umbriel moved over their villages."

That doesn't exactly prove me wrong since the Argonians did annex what was considered contested/disputed territory in Southern Morrowind. Of course some would choose to settle there (since they felt it was theirs anyway) but as for most of Morrowind proper, they have no effort to colonize or rule. My point still stands.

» Mon May 07, 2012 5:14 pm

That doesn't exactly prove me wrong since the Argonians did annex what was considered contested/disputed territory in Southern Morrowind. Of course some would choose to settle there (since they felt it was theirs anyway) but as for most of Morrowind proper, they have no effort to colonize or rule. My point still stands.

Which is basically that the Argonians went far north, but we don′t know anything about that. Did they conquer cities, did they leave them alone? Did they send scouts, or did they send entire armies? How long were they there? How long did they manage to hold their positions? What happened to them in a possible retreat? Was there even any fighting? Are they stil there?