im a bit confused about where to talk about the novels being made for elder scrolls...

a novel seems like it would have something to do with the lore atleast a little... so... eh, if this is in the wrong forum, dont blame me... should be a seperate forum to discuss the upcoming novels if this is wrong...

anyway, reading about the novel's plot a little on UESP wiki... im a little worried... i hope the guy researched enough to know what he's doing... i mean, i saw something about the emperor's son.. prince attrebus... and then i remembered... what emperor? what son?

its set in the 4th era... emperor septim is dead... his last living son, martin septim, gave his life in the war against oblivion/mehrunes dagon...

i can only assume that a new bloodline has risen in this novel, because otherwise, there can be no emperor or son...

anyway, has anyone else heard of this novel, and what are your thoughts on it?

also, i wonder if the guy just made up the city of umbriel, or was it mentioned somewhere in TES lore?

if he made it all up, i wonder... if bethesda will ever decide to add the guy's content from his novel into a future game...

Im pretty sure beth is taking his writtings as lore....

I hope this guy knows his lore, or the book will be hard to read as a cringe at inconsistances...

well, on the cover he has masser and secunda in view... thats a good start... lets hope the rest of it is just as accurate.

I'm guessing that this will be the case. I suppose if it turns out that the novels are massive failures and Bethesda decides to pretend they never happened, the stories of them might get retconned, but otherwise, I think it's safe to say that whatever happens in them exists in the canon Elder Scrolls universe.

But I don't think we can really judge how well the novels respect the Elder Scrolls lore without reading them. The Emperor's son I suppose could be explained by there being yet another illigitimate son that even Jauffre didn't know about, but that seems unlikely, and I doubt the "there is another heir" plot would be recycled so quickly. Most likely, I'd say that in the time frame between Oblivion and the novels, however long that is, a new emperor was crowned, and the hero in this case is the son of that emperor, but as I said, the novels must be read to really judge them, because how the plot elements we know so far fit in with what the rest of the franchise tells us about its setting may be explained during the story, and new plot elements which also must be taken into account when judging the story's lore accuracy must also be taken into account.

We can hope the author did his research, though, I don't want the book to be filled with inconsistencies with the rest of the franchise everywhere I read.

My theory is that this guy knows his lore (Keyes mentions the Imperial Library site being an invaluable research tool, which is promising), and will probably make up some cool new stuff too.

And this cool new stuff will infuriate everyone, because they won't consider it canon, even though it technically is. I can't wait.

From the http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9780345508010&view=excerpt from that book we know that Attrebus is son of Titus Mede, so you are right there will by a new bloodline.

^this

and as was specifically stated (and quickly removed) the novel will bridge the gap between oblivion and the next game in the series, although i assume one will not be required to have played any of the games in order to understand the novel
so we must assume that it WILL be lore

Indeed...Emperor Titus Mede, and his son is Prince Attrebus. This supposedly takes place long enough after the events of Oblivion for the Elder Council to have elected a new Emperor.

Keep in mind that this man, Titus Mede, needn't have royal blood at all. There are no longer Dragonfires or an Amulet of Kings. He could simply be a high ranking General or Noble whom was elevated to the position of Emperor.

So, an emperor and some An-Xileel argonian leader. I wonder whether they have some metaphysical power, like good old Tiber and his offspring.

Way too early to tell. No information released.

He doesn't necessarily have to be divine in any way - but since this is the Elder Scrolls we're talking about, it's likely as not they've found some way to give him divinity of some sort. Remember, the line has been broken before and the devs and lore masters came up with a pretty clever way to bring it back.

MK memorably referred to this as "hill[censored]." (It's never a bad time to read about good old Reman Cyrodill again. Always entertaining)

"Emperor" here meaning what, also? Hell, any nobleman with a hill would call himself a King in the Illiac bay until Daggerfall. Who's to say Mede isn't just the best of a bad bunch? I guess we'll find out.

Who knows? All I know is that official sources refer to him as "The Emperor". I assume that's Emperor of Cyrodill, at least, if not all of Tamriel...we just don't know much about the political climate at this point.

Has the Empire dissolved? Have some territories seceded? Perhaps Cyrodill itself has split and has two Emperors like latter days Rome? All we're told is that Titus Mede holds the office and station of Emperor and that his son is the prince.

The only province we know about in any detail is Argonia: that the Empire splintered if not outrught collapsed and that the An-Xileel, apparently a group who protected them during the Oblivion Crisis, took power there. Mede is rebuilding the Empire elsewhere and apparently hoped the An-xileel will rejoin willingly (but it doesn't seem to want to give up its autonomy now that Argonia is at least partially unified).

im pretty sure greg keyes wrote for the star wars expanded universe so i have high hopes about that

and im sure TES team will revise the book.. im assuming he cant just do what he wants enirely..

There are other Septim groups, you know, about three of them. Tiber's descendants in Skyrim, the duke of a city in Morrowind, and the branch that ambushed and killed Katariah. They could claim the throne. I'm not worried about the lore, I'm worried about Bethesda giving us an empire that hasn't changed, other than the fact it's a bit smaller, and a cliche plot.

Via Game Informer;




http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2009/10/02/news_2F00_toddhowardcodecpvssyr.aspx

I also read in the Game Informer magazine that gamesas gave Greg Keyes access to some secret lore website that is full of unreleased lore and whatnot. ^_^

There have been seven threads in TES General on Keyes' novel; Lycanthropic Nerevar has been the admin for the thread. It looks as if the novel will take place 45 years after the Oblivion Crisis. (Search under "The Elder Scrolls Novels Thread", TES General).

No idea how that happened, BTW.

We tried having two threads, one here and one in TES general, but until the book is out there's really no significant difference between them so we've kept it up in the other section. After the book comes out specific lore question threads will have a place down here because if the book is well done then it'll be consistent with older lore while at the same time bringing new things to the table 9If my hypothesis is correct we might get some sload stuff).

I have recently learned that the next Elder Scrolls game will take place 500 years after Oblivion. Now I'm not holding that bit of info as completely true but having the novel set 45 years later, it seems like it could be true.

the early copies of the book or something said 200 years after oblivion, where did you hear 500?

Official Xbox Magazine. Like I said, though, its a rumor. I'm taking it with a pound of salt, just found it interesting.

haha, yeah even the most unlikely rumour is interesting when it comes to tesv
what is interesting, though, is that a 500 year gap could push us into the fifth era, or at least the end of the fourth

45 seems much more plausible if you examine the dialogue between the characters in the novel exerpt. They speak of the events of the Oblivion crisis as being before their births but still in recent history.

Yes. The fact that one of the main characters is the son of the emperor Titus Mede says to me that Titus took the Ruby Throne about 10-20 years after the Oblivion Crisis; his son Attrebus is 20-30 years old as far as I know (until the book comes out and confirms his age).
I wouldn't be surprised if Titus was a Legion officer who saw how bad things were getting in the Imperial City and took it with the help of troops personally loyal to him.

Hey, with no heir around, someone needed to grow a pair and try to patch things up quickly before things pretty much repeat the 2nd era before Tiber Septim or the 1st era before Reman I. Good thing someone is trying now instead of hundreds of years later. Now to Titus and Attrebus can pull this off. Also, if Attrebus is Titus's only kid, he needs to get to work on his down time.