The Elder Scrolls Novels : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:10 pm

Are they canon?

» Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:05 pm

Well, one is. Who knows when the other will be?

» Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:59 am

Yes the current one is canon.

» Thu Nov 18, 2010 2:14 pm

Yes the current one is canon.

As in shot out of a cannon.

R.I.P. Vvardenfell. ;_; Your death was as meaningless as Tasha Yar's first demise.

EDIT: Mind you, I've not read the book.

» Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:32 pm

As in shot out of a cannon.

R.I.P. Vvardenfell. ;_; Your death was as meaningless as Tasha Yar's first demise.

EDIT: Mind you, I've not read the book.

You too? Blah, come on, Vvardenfell and Morrowind was doomed since TES:III. It's common knowledge that MoT was or could pretty much nuke Morrowind from Vivec's lesson, number 33.

» Thu Nov 18, 2010 5:28 pm

Was it?

» Thu Nov 18, 2010 2:33 pm

You too? Blah, come on, Vvardenfell and Morrowind was doomed since TES:III. It's common knowledge that MoT was or could pretty much nuke Morrowind from Vivec's lesson, number 33.

Common Knowledge? I'd wager that most of the players didn't read the sermons. The most they did was open up the ones that were skill books.

» Thu Nov 18, 2010 9:44 pm

Common Knowledge? I'd wager that most of the players didn't read the sermons. The most they did was open up the ones that were skill books.

Fine, but it was readily available!

» Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:00 am

Fine, but it was readily available!

I'll give you that one, since If I remember correctly, a copy of 33 is in Holamayan.

» Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:40 pm

I'll give you that one, since If I remember correctly, a copy of 33 is in Holamayan.

And the Molag Mar smith

» Thu Nov 18, 2010 3:22 pm

As in shot out of a cannon.

R.I.P. Vvardenfell. ;_; Your death was as meaningless as Tasha Yar's first demise.

EDIT: Mind you, I've not read the book.

You might want to read the book someday, though I don't recommend paying full price -- maybe send for it through interlibrary loan. It didn't feel arbitrary to me. Now the destruction of the planet Vulcan in the recent "Star Trek" movie/reboot -- that was arbitrary.

» Thu Nov 18, 2010 4:07 pm

Library it, at least until the second one comes out.

I would say that it was readily available knowledge, in both the sermons and the loveletter, and if I recall the fan speculation had it that all of Tamriel would be destroyed. I think this is a good compromise.

» Thu Nov 18, 2010 11:53 am

Common Knowledge? I'd wager that most of the players didn't read the sermons. The most they did was open up the ones that were skill books.

This. I never bothered reading Vivecs [censored]... It was the most boring books in the game. IMO.

» Thu Nov 18, 2010 2:39 pm

At first glance, I'd agree with you. Then you take a second, and a third, and before you know it you're lighting votives for MK who has shown you the confusing and twisted light.

Mind you, I've only read the interesting sermons.

» Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:02 am

This. I never bothered reading Vivecs [censored]... It was the most boring books in the game. IMO.

Uh, okay, wow.

I just don't know what to say.

I don't suppose you've read any "real world" religion or philosophy either. Or if you have you found it boring.

How about you http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-thirty-six-lessons-vivec-sermon-one, and let me know where it gets too boring for you?

» Thu Nov 18, 2010 2:05 pm

Uh, okay, wow.

I just don't know what to say.

I don't suppose you've read any "real world" religion or philosophy either. Or if you have you found it boring.

How about you http://www.imperial-library.info/content/morrowind-thirty-six-lessons-vivec-sermon-one, and let me know where it gets too boring for you?

Ah... Real world religion and philosophy? Ah well... Then I understand... My fault completely.

Okay, a question:
Who are the "netchyman"?

» Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:33 am

Ah... Real world religion and philosophy? Ah well... Then I understand... My fault completely.

Okay, a question:
Who are the "netchyman"?

I mean to say the 36 lessons are interesting for the same reasons religious and philosophical texts are interesting.

As for your question. A http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Netch#Netch is an indigenous creature of Morrowind. Hence a netchiman is someone who works with netch. Like a goat-herder.

» Fri Nov 19, 2010 3:02 am

I mean to say the 36 lessons are interesting for the same reasons religious and philosophical texts are interesting.

As for your question. A http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Netch#Netch is an indigenous creature of Morrowind. Hence a netchiman is someone who works with netch. Like a goat-herder.

Ah, didnt know that they were called "Netchyman"...
I am reading on. The english is making it slightly hard for me to understand it completely, but I understand the big parts.

» Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:25 pm

Well The Infernal City is a darn good read so far.

Think I'll read it for my wife when we're finished with the Sword of Truth serie.

» Thu Nov 18, 2010 3:39 pm

Ah, didnt know that they were called "Netchyman"...
I am reading on. The english is making it slightly hard for me to understand it completely, but I understand the big parts.

Don't worry about understanding everything, but feel free to ask questions.

Adaqueril: I real that series. In retrospect, Goodkind should have written Wizard's First Rule and then called it good.

» Thu Nov 18, 2010 7:22 pm

Adaqueril: I real that series. In retrospect, Goodkind should have written Wizard's First Rule and then called it good.

You should retroactively do this for yourself, lest ye be subjected to horrendous amounts of torture pr0nz and Objectivism (and thats coming from someone who read and enjoyed Atlas Shrugged).

» Fri Nov 19, 2010 1:56 am

I dissagree, Goodkind whole serie is fantastic! Unfortuantely the translations are lagging behind by like 3 years...
But lets not spam with OT.

Bam... Nerevar sure was one violent fella "So Nerevar slew the merchant captain and took the caravan for his own." Just like that. Pooof. Ah well, thats why they made the warrior class I suppose...

"I am Vehk, your protector and the protector of Red Mountain until the end of days, which are numbered 3333."
So we got 3333 days until the end comes? Interesting... Or is there some sort of hidden message there?

"GHARTOK PADHOME GHARTOK PADHOME."
Which means...?

Its late, I will stop reading now.

» Thu Nov 18, 2010 10:19 pm

Read it at least once all the way through. Then read it again and ask questions.

Remember also that the Lessons are not literally history, that oughta save you a bit of confusion in therms of chronology.

GHARTOK is Ehlnofex for "hands" and PADHOME is another way to spell "Padomay." Ehlnofex relies on poetic associations and worldplay rather than literal meaning.

» Thu Nov 18, 2010 8:29 pm

Read it at least once all the way through. Then read it again and ask questions.

Remember also that the Lessons are not literally history, that oughta save you a bit of confusion in therms of chronology.

GHARTOK is Ehlnofex for "hands" and PADHOME is another way to spell "Padomay." Ehlnofex relies on poetic associations and worldplay rather than literal meaning.

Ok. I will read the rest now.

» Fri Nov 19, 2010 12:05 am

I don't mean to sound like an elitist-[censored], but can someone who reads the classics liek Kafka, Chekhov etc... conform that this novel is good? I am interested as to what happens, but I do not want to read it if it is a poorly written book.