[W E I R D]

maybe when the book comes out they'll love the whole thing and I'll hate it. Who knows?

I hope that's the case. I really, really do.

[[ becca ]]

Even though I thoroughly enjoyed the snippet (both the writing and presentation, not that there weren't issues though), this wouldn't be the first time a book started out good and got completely stupid, or (for you, Red) the first time a book started out wanting and got much better.

The only real way to know if you enjoyed the book is to read the book of course!

[Brooke Turner]

I felt like the story was coherent and written well enough. There were some grammatical and sentence structure choices that I didn't particularly felt they made the story flow as well as it should have, but it didn't phase me. As I read the excerpt, I got a good mental image of what was going on, and what each area may have looked, and such. I am interested in what happens next.

[FABIAN RUIZ]

I felt like the story was coherent and written well enough. There were some grammatical and sentence structure choices that I didn't particularly felt they made the story flow as well as it should have, but it didn't phase me. As I read the excerpt, I got a good mental image of what was going on, and what each area may have looked, and such. I am interested in what happens next.

For me, as long as I don't feel I need to re-read what I just read in order to understand it then I'm okay with the writing (not to say I won't have issues with it, but I'm not going to say it ruined anything).

As I said before; I think he had a lack of commas and that was about it for me. A well placed comma can really aid in the flow of a sentence.

[Multi Multi]

For me, as long as I don't feel I need to re-read what I just read in order to understand it then I'm okay with the writing (not to say I won't have issues with it, but I'm not going to say it ruined anything).

As I said before; I think he had a lack of commas and that was about it for me. A well placed comma can really aid in the flow of a sentence.

Then again, my complains are nit-picky of me. And yeah, because I don't have much time, I also don't find myself in the position to really want to reread everything I just read. Tried reading a really complex and old book, and well, it's taking for forever! And I just don't have that mental fortitude to understand everything in it once, had to reread parts a lot. Not to mention that book is really flippin' long. So yes, I agree that not only did he present his scenes nicely, I didn't have to constantly reread sections, despite my minor dyslexia.

[Mario Alcantar]

ThatOneGuy gave me the link yesterday about the novel, a small reading. I only read 4 paragraphs and lost interest in reading. I also hate reading off of monitors, from paper no problem. In the last thread I asked how was his writing, I got an answer I like, so when I went to the book store. I took one of Greg Keyes's book and read 3 pages no problem. I was like cool, then last night and tried again to read, I couldn't. I have no idea, why? When the book comes out, I will see if it looks better to me on paper. I was pissed that I lost interest reading from the link ThatOneGuy gave.

[gemma]

That's funny, cos we suggested that when the books were first announced, and Princess Stomper said nobody would want to buy a collection of TES short stories.

Bethesda is aware that there is an audience for such a book, that's why they included a revised Pocket Guide with the Oblivion [Collector's Edition]. However whether such a book could stand on its own is debatable, I imagine it would really only appeal to hardcoe TES fans (which is why bundling something like this as a game extra made so much sense). For a stand-alone book a complete novel does make more sense, so unless Bethesda decides to break in to PnP RPGs, or they are very successful with stand-alone novels, I don't think we'll see a collected work like this.

[Tiffany Carter]

so unless Bethesda decides to break in to PnP RPGs

:drool:
(stupid pavlovian response )

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[Jeff Tingler]

Bethesda is aware that there is an audience for such a book, that's why they included a revised Pocket Guide with the Oblivion GOTY edition. However whether such a book could stand on its own is debatable, I imagine it would really only appeal to hardcoe TES fans (which is why bundling something like this as a game extra made so much sense). For a stand-alone book a complete novel does make more sense, so unless Bethesda decides to break in to PnP RPGs, or they are very successful with stand-alone novels, I don't think we'll see a collected work like this.

Yes, it would stand - for those of use who bought the game and expansions before the GotY was released. :meh: Or for those of use who don't have the Collector's Editions. I'll happily pay for the PGE and art book, and I've already paid for the (non CE version) of the game.

[Ben sutton]

I hope that's the case. I really, really do.

Well, I hope the part where you guys like it is the case, I'd rather not hate it. But then, maybe I will. I simply have no way of knowing that yet.

Wow, why does that sound creepy?

As an aside, I love the PGE. I'd buy it if it was A: for sale individually and B: I didn't already have a copy.

[Paula Ramos]

Well, I hope the part where you guys like it is the case, I'd rather not hate it. But then, maybe I will. I simply have no way of knowing that yet.

Wow, why does that sound creepy?

As an aside, I love the PGE. I'd buy it if it was A: for sale individually and B: I didn't already have a copy.

If TES V takes place so long after Oblivion, AND in a broken up Empire, AND in the fourth era, then I think there should be a new Pocket Guide since the place has changed so much.

In actuality, I would love if for each TES game from now on they had a Pocket Guide. It would certainly help to introduce new players to the world and help them to understand the depth involved.

[Budgie]

If TES V takes place so long after Oblivion, AND in a broken up Empire, AND in the fourth era, then I think there should be a new Pocket Guide since the place has changed so much.

In actuality, I would love if for each TES game from now on they had a Pocket Guide. It would certainly help to introduce new players to the world and help them to understand the depth involved.

Sounds like a good idea to me. That'd be one copy for every lore nut and hardcoe fan.

[Dan Endacott]

A revised pocket guide came with Oblivion GOTY?I dont think I ever got that. Is it exclusive to say the PC version(owns ps3 version)

[courtnay]

If TES V takes place so long after Oblivion, AND in a broken up Empire, AND in the fourth era, then I think there should be a new Pocket Guide since the place has changed so much.

In actuality, I would love if for each TES game from now on they had a Pocket Guide. It would certainly help to introduce new players to the world and help them to understand the depth involved.

Uh, why? Those who played Oblivion and never read the lore (meaning website, not books from game, which I don't and really don't care, I am sure there are others). Why do we need this pocket guide, I see no reason to?

I also had a question about Cyrodiil being a jungle which I got no answer. Does it say anywhere in the game that Cyrodill was a jungle then not a jungle? The website lore is not legit information to me, like how UESPWiki is to some or is it Bethesda approved.

[SamanthaLove]

Let's try to keep this more about Keyes' novel and less about past and future pocket guides. I realize I was the one who let the genie out of the bottle, and some general discussion about possible TES books is OK, but the main point of this thread is Keyes' novels.

A revised pocket guide came with Oblivion GOTY?I dont think I ever got that. Is it exclusive to say the PC version(owns ps3 version)

Sorry, I meant to say the Oblivion Collector's Edition, not the Game of the Year Edition. I believe the Imperial Library was given permission to host the revised Pocket Edition if you want to read it.

[Rebecca Dosch]

There is also still no definitive answer as to whether the two novels will be sequential, or be like the games, where they are both TES but not directly related. There are good reasons to suspect both but unless the first book ends with a cliffhanger or some major unresolved issue it's likely we won't know for some time.

[Eibe Novy]

My speculation for today is wondering who will be in the party of adventurers other than Prince Attrebus and Annaig. I'm assuming Keyes will write a diverse group. Maybe the spy who is mentioned will be a Blade, or Dunmer, or Altmer. The mage could be Dunmer, Breton, or any race I guess. If he does write a Dunmer character, I hope he won't make him or her too similar to an Imperial.

[Avril Louise]

My speculation for today is wondering who will be in the party of adventurers other than Prince Attrebus and Annaig. I'm assuming Keyes will write a diverse group. Maybe the spy who is mentioned will be a Blade, or Dunmer, or Altmer. The mage could be Dunmer, Breton, or any race I guess. If he does write a Dunmer character, I hope he won't make him or her too similar to an Imperial.

he did subtle racial tension with Annaig (who is some sort of human, assumed Breton) And Glim the Argonian. I think he may be able to get this down okay.

[Shelby Huffman]

he did subtle racial tension with Annaig (who is some sort of human, assumed Breton) And Glim the Argonian. I think he may be able to get this down okay.

I think so. I also wouldn't be surprised if at least one of the characters is a Redguard. Who knows, a Khajiit could be in the party of adventurers.

[Kayla Keizer]

For some reason, I have a sneaking suspicion that Glim won't be living much longer (probably killed by the dark force from the floating city, or some such reason to make the character want to go on a world saving quest).

Also:

Uh, why? Those who played Oblivion and never read the lore (meaning website, not books from game, which I don't and really don't care, I am sure there are others). Why do we need this pocket guide, I see no reason to?

Why NOT? There are many who played only Oblivion and were very interested in the lore (many came to the Lore forums with questions). TES is very much so a world formed by its lore, and understanding at least SOME of this lore is a major part in understanding both the main storylines of the games and the world in general.

Besides, a Collectors Edition nets them more cash!

[RUby DIaz]

Why NOT? There are many who played only Oblivion and were very interested in the lore (many came to the Lore forums with questions). TES is very much so a world formed by its lore, and understanding at least SOME of this lore is a major part in understanding both the main storylines of the games and the world in general.

This.

When I first played Oblivion (it was my first TES game), I had no knowledge of the lore, of course. At that time it was just another fantasty game, nothing special. A lot didn't make sense, but I figured it was like most other fantasy games in that those things were left up in the air or generally went unexplained. However, once I did get far more into the lore, and had a far greater understanding of the TES universe, I found the game and any other game (I later went onto the others) far more interesting, for the events and everything else had much more significance.

And yeah, why not? If you don't have an interest in the lore, don't read the Pocket Guide. As simple as that. Why should everyone who wants the guide and has interest in the lore not get it because there are a few fans who don't care? :rolleyes: Don't care? Don't read it. You can very well just ignore it, quite simply.

For some reason, I have a sneaking suspicion that Glim won't be living much longer (probably killed by the dark force from the floating city, or some such reason to make the character want to go on a world saving quest).

I agree. It would give Annaig more solid motivation, and such an event would really hit home for her, I think. Going out on an adventure to save the world would be less of a child's dream, at that point. But who knows, we'll just have to wait and see, really.

[Amelia Pritchard]

It sounds potentially interesting, though not particularly inspired. I could do without the already heavy argonian involvement, but I am sure many others are quite happy to have it, so I will not quibble at the moment. Admittedly, I will be reading more to see effects on and interpretations of the lore than anything else. Yet I feel like saying it had better be good only because of the price. 14 and change for a damned paper back. What the hell.

[D IV]

About time for a new thread. Let's make sure it stays on track and doesn't run in to the problems this one had