I just thought of this.

I don't know much on The Elder Scrolls universe, but are there other planets besides Nirn that are habitable and have different types of races or the same races with new races?

Maybe, sort of. Each Prince is a plane and the plane is the Prince. Sheogorath is the Shivering Isles and the Isles are Sheogorath. The same system applies to all other Princes. They can sometimes manifest an avatar within the Mundus, though. Planes themselves look like planets when you can view them from afar. The Divines may follow the the same concept, and there are what appear to be other planets in the sky from Nirn. Eight or nine, specifically. It is possible that these are the Divines and that their planes could be reached by space travel, or something similar, within the Mundus. There have been expeditions to the moons, but they didn't use a rocket ship and the moons, technically being a corpse, are rotting and are probably uninhabitable. If the Divines still have their own planes and they haven't simply merged with Nirn, then they may be habitable, but it's hard to say with them so weakened.

So whatever solar system Nirn is in and the 8 planets in it can it be possible for a daedric prince to be in other solar systems?

If this is true that means that The Elder Scrolls video games can be developed infinitely.

70 Years from now if Bethesda Game Studios still exists can still be developing a The Elder Scrolls video game The Elder Scrolls XIV or something taking place on the planet Fasarine or some name like that.

Sadly 70 years from now, unless massive medical breakthroughs happen I won't be able to experience it .

Nnnnnnot quite. See, the stars aren't so much as stars as they are literal holes in the fabric of reality. Pocket realms in Oblivion fade in and out of existence, and almost everything in Oblivion is comprised of wacky blue goo called Creatia. TES-verse doesn't work like our world in any capacity, even though you can draw fancy parralles between space flight, stations, and the realms of Oblivion as planets. Its all there, but it makes for fun thought exercises.

I'm expecting a The Elder Scrolls video game in the future once Bethesda Game Studios finishes with Nirn and all the planets by Nirn we will be on a new planet in a new solar system.

There is no solar system. The sun and stars are holes in the barrier that separates Nirn from Aetherius. Nirn itself sits in the middle of this region, which is called the Mundus. The other 'planets' may not actually be planets and may only look like them as a form that the mortal mind can comprehend. Even Nirn isn't a planet in the traditional sense, being a convergence of several Aedra/Daedra like beings called the Ehlnofey, or Earth Bones, and their planes into a single entity.

The Deadric Princes exist in Oblivion, a separate realm from both the Mundus and Aetherius. Think of Oblivion and Aetherius as being like parallel universes that actually 'touch' in a way. Oblivion functions as a barrier around the Mundus that separates it from Aetherius. It is both a wall and a realm in and of itself. The Daedra live in Oblivion, but there are several planes not affiliated with Daedra in both Oblivion and Aetherius, such as the Soul Cairn in Oblivion and Sovngarde in Aetherius. What that means about the nature of planes is anybody's guess. There are 'holes' in Oblivion caused by Magnus and his followers when they abandoned the project to construct the Mundus and the light that comes through is actually the raw magicka of Aetherius, looking like the sun and stars from Nirn, but Nirn and the Divine's planes are the only planets that exist in the Mundus.

Basically, TES's reality doesn't look anything like ours. There are no solar systems, galaxies, black holes, or other spacial phenomena because the whole of space, if it exists, occupies a smaller area than our solar system.

Eh, I still think The Elder Scrolls XIV or whatever will be on another planet outside of the solar system Nirn is in or plane or whatever you want to call it.

Ok, the Elder Scrolls universe is in something called the Aubris. It's a cosmic Venn Diagram born out of the interplay of 2 primal, mindless forces, Anu and Padomay. The Aubris it's self isn't a 'universe' with planets and stars as we recognise it, but a, infinite reality of energy and thought populated by spirits whose only limitations are the concepts they represent (IE, they lack size).

Then Lorkhan, one of the strongest spirits, convinced some others to create a more concrete, minute reality in which they could reflect upon themselves (as opposed to reflect upon eachother as they had been). They created the Mundus, a bubble of reality with stable rules, constructed around a single world; Nirn. Magnus and the Magne'Ge fled, poking holes in that bubble, which became the stars. The Aedra condensed and 'died', their forms floating inside the bubble as the other planets. Exactly what these are is still unclear, but we have been told that they are actually infinite planes, and they just appear to be spheres because mortal minds can't comprehend infinity.

But everything in the Mundus revolves around Nirn. The Sun is a giant hole in the barrier, not a central gravitational anchor. Basically, it's what some ancient cultures believed the universe to be constructed like, NOT what the real universe is.

Beyond the bubble is Oblivion, which consists of infinite planes. We've seen at least 2 of them, ruled by Sheogorath and Mehrunes Dagon. Beyond that, you have Aetherius, which we know basically nothing about.

So, there's no other 'Solar Systems' out there. There's only the Mundus. But there are an infinite number of worlds and lands to explore, shaped by the whims of the spirits that rule them.

This here picture on deviantArt gives a great visualization of Elder Scrolls cosmology: http://www.deviantart.com/art/The-Elder-Scrolls-Cosmology-432011248

I'm surprised that 8 posts in no one's linked the actual source for all this stuff yet. http://www.imperial-library.info/content/cosmology.

I've asked this before, but if the sun and stars are holes, how do they move?

I've always theorized that the planes of Oblivion are in fact the TES equivalent of extrasolar planets, so far from Nirn that physical travel is technically possible but not remotely feasible, and that Oblivion itself is the TES equivalent of outer space. Hence why the Shivering Isles have their own sun and, as far as I can tell, a sky with a completely different arrangement of stars. Hence why the void of Oblivion is said to be what we see when we look at the night sky. Hence why in even some of MK's weirder work, Battlespires are not sitting in some isolated limbo, but are physically situated in space between Nirn and the moons.

Also please note that this does not mean to exclude the possibility of the stars being holes to Aetherius, or Oblivion being the barrier between Aetherius and Mundus. Instead it rejects the idea that the stars are 2D dots on a giant planetarium, and instead suggests that the stars sit throughout the void of Oblivion.

My assumption would be that Nirn spins and the stars are static. Except for the ones in the Serpent constellation. I have no idea what's up with those.

The Waters of Oblivion that they are channels through is fluid, ever shifting and rolling. The channels to Aetherius of the sun and stars are kept from collapsing by the radiant pressure of the magicka pouring through them.

There's something I forgot to discuss in my previous post- the relevant lore from the http://www.imperial-library.info/content/nu-mantia-intercept.


Auriel-that-is-Akatosh returned to Mundex Arena from his dominion planet, signaling all Aedra to convene at a static meeting that would last outside of aurbic time.

-http://www.imperial-library.info/content/nu-mantia-intercept-letter-4

The Daedric Realms were formed on much the same principle: padomaic powers using aetherial refuse to build their void-territories. The Towers built on the Mundus, since the lands around them congealed in the absence of the gods, were unable to match the capriciousness of the Lords of Misrule.

-http://www.imperial-library.info/content/nu-mantia-intercept-letter-7



Something else to consider, is what Clavicus Vile said in Lord of Souls:

“Don’t think I’m weak,” Vile said. “Everyone who comes here now thinks I’m weak, just because a wee bit of my stuff has been stolen. The trick is, if you’ve got less to work with, you just don’t spread it so thin. My realm may be a little smaller than in happier times, but in it I’m just as strong as I ever was.”


All of this seems to suggest that while Princes and Aedra are definitely tied to their realm, the plane is not an integral part of them, but rather something that they permeate. This would also explain how Jyggalag was able to forever depart from what was originally his realm.

Are the Daedric Realms also planets?

Basically. They're not as static as Nirn, though. Their topography and general appearance can change at the Prince's whim and their size may be variable, too.

Not necessarily. Sanguine has hundreds of small disconnected realms, Malacath's realm is nothing but a swirling cloud of ash.

Also, they have a tendency to spring up out of nothing. http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Village_of_the_Lost didn't exist until Bal's attempted plane meld, and as of Online, was still forming. I expect that smaller pocket realms are fairly common in Oblivion, and I wouldn't be surprised if they vanished as quickly as they spring up if someone doesn't decide to make it their own.

Incidentally, http://www.imperial-library.info/content/pocket-guide-empire-third-edition-magic-aetherius. But they quite different from the spaceships of our real world. For example, the Mothships of Reman are, in fact, actual giant moths. And while there are no descriptions of the Aldmeri sunbirds, I suspect that their their names are just as literal.

Also the Battlespire from the game of the same name is essentially the TES equivalent a space station.

BTW, do you remember which in-game book or which game it is mentioned in that the plane of a Daedric Prince is the body of that Prince?

Not a clue. It was probably either a conversation in Shivering Isles or something I picked up from this forum. It could also be from the Imperial Library; I know I read a bunch of the Obscure Texts off of there at one point.

I've been around here for years, and even I don't recall such a source either, and I've asked that question myself, because I've never subscribed to it, a stance that I feel subsequent lore has vindicated. Frankly, I feel that it's probably just something that ended up being echoed around until it was accepted as fact, possibly back before there was lore that called such an assertion into question.

It may have come about because the moons are said to literally be the corpse of Lorkhan and the difference between various types of et'Ada seems to be to what extent they participated in the construction of the Mundus. By that logic, the base rules for Aedra and Daedra should be the same. Then there's the other planets supposedly being the Divines. Prince-less planes in both Oblivion and Aetherius do muddy the waters, though. Perhaps a more accurate statement would be that the plane is a reflection of the ruling being, Daedric Prince or otherwise? This would be in line with the changes to the Shivering Isles during the Greymarch and explain Jyggalag's ability to leave, but wouldn't necessarily explain the relationship between the Divines and the planets. We might need more SI-like expansions or DLCs to get a better picture.

Here's the thing. My doubt of the theory (although given the lack of evidence, it comes off as more of a hypothesis to me) first surfaced from the Nu-Mantia Intercept, specifically the afore-mentioned http://www.imperial-library.info/content/nu-mantia-intercept-letter-7, which stated that the Daedra Princes built their realms from castaway Aetherial refuse, and further suggested by Jyggalag's apparent ability to depart the Shivering Isles forever. This proved to be further reinforced with what Clavicus Vile said about the loss of a part of his realm, and working with less material. And finally came the revelation in the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Daedra_Dossier:_Cold-Flame_Atronach that there are at least tens of thousands of realms in Oblivion, most seemingly not presided over by any of the sixteen princes.

Frankly, I think that some out-of-game texts are too quickly adhered to as infallible word of god, rather than given scrutiny as potentially fallible in-universe accounts that is afforded to every other text in and out of the game. Speaking of which, and on a more on-topic matter, MK once posted claiming that the Sunbirds are giant birds made of sun. Then, years later, in http://www.imperial-library.info/content/tiber-septim%E2%80%99s-sword-meeting-cyrus-restless, a Sunbird is described, and is nothing like MK originally claimed. In other words, some of this stuff is about as consistent as Blernsball from Futurama.

I think ESO also establishes that Oblivion Realms are constructed from a substance called Chaotic Creatia, which may be the Aetherial refuse you're mentioning.

Edit: Coldharbour's creatia is called Azure Plasm.

I looked all over UESP and couldn't find any in-game (or out-game) source that the Oblivion Realms are also the bodies or manifestations of the Daedra Princes. Only exceptions are the moons around Nirn.