Sorry that I'm basing too much off of Oblivion; I really need to get a copy of Daggerfall or something.

Fixed.

They had better not disappoint us with the next one's plot. There are so many possibilities, so I hope it isn't just another "saving the world" plotline. I am curious to see what these books are about.

This is true.

Yeah, but in Martin's case, all the other heirs were DEAD. What choice did the Elder Council have? The Empire needs an Emperor.

Even if another heir is found or Ocato makes himself the emperor, what says that their empire won't collapse?

And there are many branches of the Septim family that had better claims than Uriel...

Pfft...Shiva...Mehrunes Dagon is just Goro repainted.

I was under the Impression that because of Akatosh's intervention, Worshippers of the Nine and the Temple of one would recieve a massive influx of power, remember that many where in serious doub't of the nine Divines, Oblivions weak potral of the Deadric Invasion did no justice to how devestating this particlar event was, entire cities across Tamriel where burned and the Legion's Steel was tested extensively during the crisis. I agree with the sentiment that Martin was a simple Bastard child due to his failiure to light the Dragon fire's, if it were not for his quick thinking.....or interception from Akatosh's avatar. Mehrunes Dagon would be using the Imperial Palace as a Throne right about now.

So with the actual Apperance of a GOD saving the City and Tamriel from total destruction, the Religious Aspects of Tamriel would gain considerable power. I figured such would not go very well under the banner of the other Provinces, the Temple would probably replace the council since they failed miserably at Coordinating the State during the Crisis and came but a hairs expanse from total annihilation, as such the Legion becomes the Templars of the nine Divines and to avoid being forsaken once more by the gods the Temple would subject the other provinces to the Nine divines....but the other Provinces don't fly the same flags as Cyrodiil and the situation would grow all the more tense.

Despite what martin said about the Dragon fires being re-lit Im not so sure about that at the most basic ground-level he merely used his teachings as a priest of Akatosh to become that dragon and beat back Dagon but we can't rule out Divine intervention....since only a God or one with considerable knowledge of the Deadric princes can Banish one.

So with that said Its not out of place to consider another strike from of the Princes in the near future, unless Dagons just the only superior bad-guy just because all he can do is destroy......Lorkhan needs to come back and show these amatures what real cunning is like.

OmegaX (WTF is up with the "MK" in your name?) has a point. Though it is too short a time for the necessary institutions to develop in the real world, the Cult of the Dragon could still end up being a centerpiece that keeps Tamrielic society going even if the Empire itself collapses. So we could end up with a politically decentralized situation that is yet bound together through a common religion.

MK's secret identity maybe? Like Clark Kent.

Unless, of course, that religion is challenged. The Daedra have shown a lot of interest in Tamriel for quite some time - a lot more than they usually show. Even if it takes a long time, they will become the spiritual leaders of Morrowind eventually. They are not held out of Tamriel forever, either. There are a considerable number of ways that they can stage another assault, especially if that assault is political. They also have many advantages over the Nine - although Akatosh sent the Daedra back to Oblivion, could the other Daedra have stopped the invasion from happening? Whilst most of the Nine Divines can be killed, the Daedra cannot, and they can also assist the world with their knowledge rather than simply working to keep things the same as they are.

It's not MK; he has a different writing style.

As for the Daedra, I don't think they're as unified as Gallowglass suggests. They seem like schemers who don't trust each other enough to cooperate. Mehrunes Dagon was running a one-man show, basically. (Okay, one-being show.)

Mortal Kombat
Mk. 19 Grenade Launcher
MK CIA Mind Control Experiments
you get the picture...

O_o....hmm lets leave it at MK ^_^

You do have a point about the Deadra and Morrowind would have most certainly flocked to the Mythic Dawn teachings ESPECIALLY when there last Phyisical Deity Vivec, was not killed, slain, participated in a battle of epic poportions, assassinated or anything note worthy of forever cementing his finaly moments in Morrowinds history..Nope...He was Dragged away to an Ordinary gate as Vivec the city was seiged nothing special. this would definently sprout believers aplenty of the Deadra, as they right the wrongs of mortals. It would be so if Nerevar had not undermine Almalexia who slew Sotha....and quite possibly this outcome can still come to pass.

Here's how.


Nervarine was most commonly associated with Azura who is a deadra and has quite the bone to pick The Tribunal, Sotha the Thinker/tinkerer was already axed out by his God-Sister Alma, sooner or later should would have attempted to slay Vivec..but would most likely fail Since Vivec does hold a considerable amount of power many times that of Amalexia hinted by his deafening clarity in thought when you speak to him in contrast to Amalexia.

she was infact from what I understand Weakest of the Three while vivec....or sotha were the most powerful...I think it was Sotha since he saved Vivec and Amalexia from Dagons siege of Mournhold as well as one of Sotha's Cities? my memory is fuzzy.....or was it the other way around.

anyway their presense and the faith place in them became all the greater after Dagons *defeat* making Azura's work all the harder.
with Almalexia's defeat by the Nerverine, and Vivec's apprehension by the Deadra, I would not be surprised if the Dunmer of Morrowind quickly fell back to their roots undermining the change in their society concerning helseth. Indoril would still fall naturally especially when the populace would blame the temple for the Deadric invasion but the Imperial presense would find itself upon a rock and a hardplace since it was through Indoril that the Empire came in and set up shop.

Would they believe it was a cult responsible for Dagons attack....maybe..but remember not everyone believes everything and this would be the push needed to set Morrowinf back up as an adversary, through opposition in religions. this would also IF the Temple of one actually gains power from Akatosh's little show set the imperials up on a Racial hate streak in the sense of how could anyone worship something that has wrought so much pain and destruction to our lands.


Lol I hope my writings make any sense...... these are simply thoughts and Im sure there are many who've had similar long before I..

I think oligarchy. Which it was progressively becoming anyway. And the oligarchy will see a reduction of the Empire, which was already happening as the legions recalled.

I could easily imagine a split. Two empires, or one smaller Empire and many individual kingdoms appearing.

Or something huge happens, and the snake people show up and throw a party, Landfall happens, some Altmer wreck a Tower, a Dragon Break, the Underking comes back. After Oblivion, anything could happen, which is both good and bad, for suspense and for sloppy storytelling.

There are plenty of people out there with the initials of MK.

Where'd you get that idea? Although, yes, Vivec has (officially) disappeared.

My hope for the religious future of Morrowind's inhabitants is something a lot more cleverer than reverting to Daedra worship, because then Dark Elves become your stereotypical servants of the Lords of Misrule, and cleverer than adopting the Imperial system, because that would be boring.

However, I like your idea about renewed interest in the Imperial Cult, especially in Akatosh and Talos as people now can resolutely say that the Aedra actively do protect them.

Depending on the nature of how the statue of Akatosh closed the gates to Oblivion depends greatly on the permanency of these new barriers. In the extended lore (don't know how much you know on the topic), the statue could've just replaced the gem of the White-Gold Tower, essentially meaning that if another tower were to fall, then we'd have the same problem on our hands. The statue also could be something mythically new. Not likely considering the non-chaotic nature of the Aedra, but anything's possible. This way, it'd be hard to tear down the barrier again. And then, the statue could be its own Tower and gem. Sort of like Akatosh taking on another role as protecting Tamriel from nonlinearity and now also from marauding Daedra. Again, it'd be hard to reopen the barriers this way.

You should stick around and/or post more here OmegaX. You look like you can contribute something to our conversations. Although we'll see once you finish reading the requisite expanded lore, if you haven't already.

It's possible the Imperial Cult will increase in numbers, but I wonder. Maybe those who were believers will continue to believe in the Aedra, while the Imperials who were lukewarm but didn't witness the final battle will remain doubters. As time passes, memories of the insane street-fighting in the IC will fade. The citizens of the (former) Empire in other provinces will have only rumor and stories passed along. It's early yet, but I guess I'm saying that mortals being mortals, the intensity of that apocalyptic day will fade in their minds.

What if the "statue" of Akatosh doesn't have power in itself? Maybe it's only a husk. The essence of the god might have departed at the same moment the avatar of Akatosh turned to stone. Just a few thoughts I had tonight.

He's dodging the question...GET HIM!!!

Yep thats the thought I had immediatly after the related post concerning the Statue, He broke the Amulet I mean...thats one tower down he may have beaten back dagon....and such an event may not transpire as far as Dagon goes....but Tameriel's still up for grabs...though I dont believe the other princes have had aspirations to do so (as far as I know) but if Camoran's words are true...and Nirn is just another Plane for the Deadra to fight over.....then there will be a war unlike anything witnessed by mortals.......

And what about Jyggalag.........

Or a return to Allessian monotheism, strong and doctrinal, centralized religion emerging from the center of the Empire ala Medieval Ages.

Akatosh saved the day, not the Aedra. Who can tell the difference, save for those monks and priests squirreled away in temples and libraries?

I'm not very familiar with the Order, are there sources that don't describe it that way?

Anyway, a religious revolution was in the sights of the Archbishop Caraxes, during Uriel VII's rule. He disappeared. Given that the Archbishop wasn't assigned to any Divine in particular, that I could find, the central church seems to be very real in Cyrodiil.

The One of the Alessian faith was the fusion of all the gods into a single Supreme Being. However, it had many polytheist aspects because the head-dudes knew that most of Tamriel's population wouldn't be able to go for that sort of thing. Then, true to their power-grabbing nature, they decided to be chill with the polytheism aspect, kicked back, and smoke some cigars.

Here's my view on what happens:

-Summurset Isle essentially breaks off from the Empire as soon as word reaches them that there is no remaining heirs. They become an independent kingdom.
-Elsewyr declares war over the border disputes against the Imperial Province, also breaking off.
-Morrowind only stays loyal as long as it's convient, King Helseth is no fool. As soon as he calculates it is no longer in *his* (not Morrowind's) best interests to support the Elder Council, he will leave the Empire. Almalexia and Sotha Sil are dead, and Vivec is gone. His province and their religion is in ruins. The Nerevarine is likely dead as well. He would likely only stay loyal until his province can support itself.
-Skyrim would likely go for another invasion of Morrowind, meaning Helseth would need Cyrodiil's help in fending off the Nords, if they were not overwhelmed by Valenwood and Elsewyr as is.

-There are still likely remaining heirs to the Septim bloodline. However, in Summurset Isle's case, that doesn't really matter. The Altmer have been slipping away from the Empire for generations after Tiber died/had his apotheosis.
-The entire province? I think not. The desert tribes might get more aggressive, but the southern khajit are not about to jepordize their life-styles in Senchal and other important trade cities.
-This on Morrowind is partially correct. I don't believe the Nerevarine is dead, being as he/she/it is essentially a demigod of pwning. If Helseth had taken Resdayn in a bad direction, and the Nerevarine came back from wherever he/she/it went, I'm sure their would be some choice words in Mournhold on that night.
-They're already doing that. Heck, they were doing before Uriel even died. Heck, they've been doing it forever!

What's more likely is a renegotiating of the Armistice into much more favorable terms for Morrowind, seeing as how the Empire has very little political clout right now and Helseth's only political better is all the way over in Wayrest, with no aspirations on his sphere of influence to check him.