before the fourth era is over we are going to kill all those thalmor and show the rest of tamriel that humans are the best and that the elves are beneath us

The White-Gold Concordant sorta pushed me in the Stormcloaks favor. Thalnor running through the towns on a Talos witchhunt arresting people and then torturing them in their embassy while the Empire turned a blind eye didn't really show me solidarity. Hating the Thalnor in secret while shaking an angry fist and muttering "I'll get you next time gadget, next time" while eyeing the Thalmor doesn't really seem all that "awesome" to me.

That being said, Ulfric is a dike and racist, but I like my house in Windhelm with the 3 mannequins, and 18 weapon display cases/plaques of various shapes and sizes and the wardrobe with a false back revealing my enchanting and alchmey stations. Also helps that across the graveyard is a forge with a smelter and behind the market stall NEXT to the forge is an enchating table. Soooo... Windhelm for me.

Plus if you do the whole Dark Brotherhood chain and side with the Imperials I suppose it's lulzy, but a bit counter intuitive (to limit possible spoilers )

And thus the cycle continues =/

I say just let the Argonian empire take over and call it finished.

Neither side involves has a tenth the sense of responsibility needed to run a toy train.

At least then when the whole land is a swamp covered in hist trees and life has gotten savage and backward you aren't expecting more from your government to begin with.

That would be funny, all this conflict between men and mer and all of a sudden the argonians come out and conquer everyone

Thalmor are not really powerful as everyone believes. I join the stormcloaks. Even if the Empire loses its foot in skyrim does not mean its over for them.

the first time I went to Windhelm I was not happy to see how the dark elves were after sometime spend in Windhelm I found the cornerculb the place where the dark elves drink I went up stairs and saw Imperial legion armor which got me thinking that racist nord near the gate maybe was right about some of the elves being spies. I found Ulfric to be a strong leader and a great hero who cares about his people.

I was a high Elf at the time when I ask if I could join them the guy ask why would a elf join the fight for skyrim when I said you only take nords he said no I did not mean it like that what reasons would you join us in the fight for skyrim well he did not said that but something like that.So maybe Stormcloaks are not that bad

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For the empire! :biggrin:

I see what you did there. :disguise:

Just to make it more clear just how much I hate the Thalmor, they are the only reason I am staying as a werewolf. So I can eat them.

since we're dragonborn we all should go empire and become the Emperor and make Jarl Balgruff high king !

I think the empire is collaborating with the Thalmor.

Well yeah they want to survive. If not the war would end with boss sides bloody as [censored] and no real winner or thalmor taking it. Ulfric doing what he is doing(exhausting supplies and men) only makes the empire and skyrim stronger. If the empire fell an independent Skyrim wouldn't be far behind

Glory to the Thalmore! *cough cough*

* looks around nervously*

*ahem* Yes glory to the Empire.

I do not know which one. I wish to see the Thalmor (aka nazis) burn at the stake and bleed under my massive claws (I'm a werewolf). Either side I am simply with humans and humanity as a whole.

"There is hope......in men": Gandalf.

Hammerfell survived, Skyrim will survive.

I'm not very far into the game but

You know for a huge part of human history we did that daily to lots and lots of people for no good reason half the time?

Ulfric Stormcloak is just a pawn for the Thalmor. If you read some of the lore in-game, it explains a bit of that.

Or if you would rather read about it online (I've been reading up on some of it, so I can pick a side easier)

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Thalmor_Dossier:_Ulfric_Stormcloak

I played both starts of the Stormcloak (following Rolof) and following the Empire guy (can't remember his name). And I thought the Empire guy was more friendly...the first Stormcloaks we meet he says "Maybe we can reason with them" (may not be exact words)...and the Stormcloaks just attack right away. Following Rolof, they don't want to reason or anything, it is just kill kill kill.

Having said that, I haven't fully decided if my Dunmer should follow Rolof and then learns throughout the game of how his people are treated. But he knows little of what is going on. Eventually he joins the Empire as he learns things. This path may offer a bit more exploration and my character can learn things as he continues his journey in Skyrim.

Or if he already knows some things, and has family somewhere in Skyrim that have revealed some information to him about what is going on. So he tries to get into Skyrim to get to his family, but also with plans to join the Empire (haven't fully decided on a reason for this yet, but coming from Cyrodiil, maybe he has friends in the Empire or something)...but he already does not like the Stormcloaks from what was revealed to him in letters. This path, I would follow the Empire guy, instead of Rolof. Maybe he still investigates himself of how his people are treated and wants more information on the Stormcloaks or/and Ulfric. Then he has a reason to explore and what not.

I chose the Stormcloaks, just because I'm always on the side of rebels
But now I really really regret that! Ulfric really is just a ****** and when the part of the Battle of Whiterun came I just stood there indecisive for about 10 minutes
I cannot betray my best buddy jarl Balgruuf!
Is there, at this point, a way to go over to the imperials?

I chose Stormcloaks for my first run through because at first I didn't care about the lore I just saw Freedom and land forgot that the Empire was used to peace so I screwed myself up. Plus the only reason I helped the Stormcloak was because of Ralof. Now I regret my decision lol.

They called the white-gold concordat a peace treaty but really it was surrender. The imperials pretty much let the Thalmar get away with whatever they want. Stormcloaks are opposed. So the choice is whether it is better to surrender to the Thalmar and have peace or oppose and suffer the war. Some will say surrender isnt so bad if it brings peace and that anyway fighting the Thalmar has no chance of winning. Some disagree with both parts of that.

I'm honestly beginning to wonder, if that was not intentional on the writers part.

To make the whole 'with the rebels' story have a huge twist in it.

If that's so.....bravo Bethesda.

The Empire. Ulfric can't even run his own city, let alone the whole province. He's just a blustering demagogue seeking power, he doesn't care for Skyrim.

Why does everyone keep saying this? while the empire got its ass handed to them for awhile the treaty was after the empire CRUSHED the Thalmor army in a big battle