I'd imagine them to be similar to the Brotherhood at this point; in retreat and hiding. The Enclave would have more numbers than the BoS (Seeing as they are stationed all around the U.S. as well as the world, if the situation map in the oil rig is to be any sort of indication) but would be critically weakened until their "Pure Human" descendants have sufficient numbers to reclaim America.

For the time being, I don't expect to hear much from them. In 80-100 years though, a Enclave presence as strong as it was in FO2 would be feasible.

I wait for FO4...

I really hope we never see the Enclave again. It was pushing the limits of credulity in FO2, that Bethesda used them in FO3(along with super mutants and ghouls for that matter) Was I think one of the big mistakes they made with FO3.

Eden and his people could have stayed in the game, but called them something (American Patriot Foundation, Tea Party? something like that) else with a distant tie to the enclave that you only find out about in some holotape you find in their base. They split from the Enclave due to a disagreement on leadership. They could have the same goals, the same claim to being the new president (still claiming to be descended from some politician or another, I would probably make his char a human one however. with the AI being hte big boos calling ths shots.) ect ect. A large part of what made FO3 so bland was the leaps of logic it took to get things like the BoS super mutants ect ect on the other side of the country.

To me, the Enclaves story ended on the oil rig.

Existing like the brotherhood are in NV would be fine, but any more than that would just be silly to be honest.

And 80-100 years from now... well the NCR are going to be pretty huge.

The NCR will always be weak while it is expanding. Look at what happened in NV. Further expansion east would run them into the Midwest BoS and a second major war would erupt.

Then to have a small cell of Enclave reemerge, occupy a facility with access to the jet stream, release a modified FEV (that the could have been reworking in their time of seclusion), and you have the Final Solution all over again.

The Enclave could be what we think of as terrorists today: Small in number but able to inflict heavy damage.

It doesn't matter how strong the NCR would be, any FEV got into the jet stream, all non-inoculated life would be killed. That was why the Enclave in FO2, even though they where small, could take over the world.


Cheers,
Mk II

Guerilla style enclave as a small faction would be ok I think.

The enclave coming back as a full on army with a big force again would be repetitive though. Haven't they already been the main bad guys in 2 out of the 4 main fallout games?

We don't need to see them as a large force again. But remnants, or small outposts, maybe a single old military fort they have control of, sure.


This is fallout, not ''The Enclave chronicles''

You are misunderstanding the point of word "silly" then.
Silly is:

When big walkie-robot and 3 BOS troopers destroying 10050 Enclave troops with assistance of artillery. (Actually, robot with such construction could get destroyed with one RPG-whatevernumber shot. I don't need to mind rocket launchers and artillery of future)
When Enclave didn't eliminated BOS citadel with their artillery.
When big walkie-robot destroys super armored deep-in-rock base.
When player destroys mobile crawler through taking control over Enclave terminal.
When Enclave didn't eliminated BOS citadel through their epic-weapons-controller terminal thousands of years ago.

There is nothing silly in Enclave appeareance as a main enemy with omg big army after FO3 and especially FO3:BS.

Guess so, but there are no good Fallout game without Enclave at all.

After all,i hoping what BS happenings won't be counted in future FO games, because they were... very 'silly'.

Also, not sure about this.In one of ED-E logs, Whitney says he is scientist from... Adam's air force base? Wasn't it destroyed in BS? And he is also mentioning kind of outpost near Chicago.

I AGREE.

I don't believe that the Enclave are dead.. I don't have much to support myself upon this excluding ED-E and the Fallout Bible, but I think they're alive. However, having them as another major game villain? No thanks, maybe a minor faction. If I saw 2-4 enclave trooper patrols through the course of the game, maybe I would be happy.. But not with having to destroy them AGAIN. However, I can see them as being a worthy villain for some DLC in future.

Pure Blasfemy... Please identify all enclave characters in Fallout 1.

There are no Enclave characters in F1.
SUDDENLY, but F1 was never as popular as F2. Guess why.

The Enclave is the name of the oil rig, not really the faction as a whole so there can be no definitive answer as to when they came into existence without finding the original faction name. Only in Fallout 3 were they really deemed Enclave as a collective, before that they were penned in random occurrences as "an Enclave Patrol" or similar merely citing the location dispatched from.

Yup.

I gotta agree that it wouldn't really make sense at all for them to come back as a main faction after taking two pretty nasty spankings. Outposts or whatnot, sure, but not as a main faction.

I'd doubt they even have the numbers to rebuild a pure human population at the moment, to be honest.

The Enclave has at least 1 base in Chicago we know for certain. Possibly another "Midwest" outpost.

The have the tech, means, and manpower to mass produce vertibirds and APA Mk.II as well as nearly alien-level weaponry. That means they have factories. Their mobility with the vert's alone ensures that they could have spread all over the country by now. Don't be so quick to count out the Enclave. Just because Optimus whupped up on the DC faction doesn't mean they're dead. Not by a longshot.

They can't mass produce the armor suits, they produce them. If they could mass produce their suits then every Enclave trooper would be wearing Hellfire Armor.

I'm not counting them out entirely. However, the fact is the Enclave is only a few thousand people in size at best, and they've lost three major bases along with all the personnel and equipment stationed there; they've also had their entire leadership corps wiped out twice. It's not an issue of equipment at this point; it's one of manpower.

"Interestingly, his dialogue seems to indicate that he wasn't ever on the Oil Rig, meaning that the Enclave must have other mainland bases and settlements other than Navarro"

Fallout wiki

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/A._Ron_Meyers




More and more sources seem to be pointing towards the Enclave having multiple bases around the USA (if not the world).

Cheers,
Mk II

Well, talking to ED-E for its companion quest in New Vegas establishes that ED-E was heading to a facility in Cichago on his way to Navarro. So it seems likely that the Enclave has many facilities throughout post-apocalyptic America, and perhaps beyond. Heck, the remnants' bunker suggests the same thing.

In FO2 you can say to Chris "I'm looking for the Enclave, are they around here?" There are also other uses of it being used in dialogue as a collective noun.

Also the fact that they had an entire airforce base functional again ( adams ) and a massive mobile crawler base is incredible, and that probably means theres more than one, also in the fallout cannon we know next to nothing about the north eastern U.S. ( Maine, New Hampshire, Mass. , Vermont, and Connecticut ) or New york, or the southern U.S.. the possibilities are endless, and you know there's probably another NCR and Enclave type group/faction somewhere in the U.S. and at least the world.

Oh, I'm aware, and I'd agree that they'd definitely still have some bases. I just think they have to be running very short on simple numbers at the moment. We know from the Fallout bible that they were very small to begin with, and they've lost what appears to be their two most important bases along with the entire leadership corps and military contingent at both of those bases.

They may have scattered bases still, but there can't be that many left due to simple math. I'd imagine that there's still some decentralized outposts and bases, like the Chicago ones for example, but the fact that they lost the two most important bases bodes ill. I doubt the Western Enclave remnants would have gone all the way to Raven Rock if there was a larger, more impressive base closer at hand, for example.