I dont want them as remnents just throw them out. I was hoping those old guys in nv and that old lady would throw on some pa pull out a 3/4 repaired plasma rifle and start shooting me. I might have had to use a few stims and eat some potato crisps but no. All I get is CL. It s not right to have them as remnents. They disbanded they r gone. An old man with a story here and there is all they r now. Those guys in Chicago left. Ed e got that plate on him while shooting at something and a car blew up down the road and fuzed that plate on him. I just hope Bethesda s enemy in fo4 can hurt me past level 8.

the Enclave are gone, but the NCR are setting themselves up to be the new "Enclave", watch this space. It only takes a new Kimball with a less than honourable agenda. Heck, half of Nevada hates them in New Vegas anyway, I doubt many of them would know the difference between the Enclave and NCR.

I thought NCR seemed to be a respectable bunch. I dont know thier whole history, but I had the idea they were fighting the good fight. Trying to put the pieces back together.

it depends. All it would take is a big Bitter Springs. Or a new leader that wants to "ethnically cleanse" the slavers who have taken over Kansas. Or an Eastern BOS teaming up with the Commonwealth and making REAL civilisation, making the tribes gathered under the NCR question whether they wouldn't be better off joining them instead. Just because the NCR have been the "good guys" so far, doesn't mean they will continue to be. And I hope they won't, because that would get very boring, to be honest. As I said in another thread, a Fallout where the Cowboys with six-shooters of the NCR come into direct conflict with the Robots and Vertibirds of the Eastern BOS... choose your side. Once and for all

Umm... that's not how CL works... Hell, if it weren't for gamebyro they'd been really hardcoe if they were as many as they should have been. Also, if you've seen the artwork for the motor-chariot thing, that would had proberlly been freakin' hard!

Yeah, lore wise the Legion elites should be monsters to take down, And the basic troops should be so numerous that killing one is meaningless. They got gimped gameplay wise.

Although I have seen a group of Legion assassins take out an entire NCR base.

Lol. I hope some day soon your computer gets fixed so you can play Fallout 2. The Enclave In Fallout 2 can smoke you easy even if you are at level 21. Stims arn't going to help you because they can cut you in half with one shot. Enclave in Fallout 3 I can kill with a pistol at level 2.

They have done bad things, outside of the NCR about 30 years before NV there was a massive slaver camp which went unhindered, they also enlisted a crime family to hire mercs to stage false raider attacks on a small but highly advanced city to the north called Vault City; the city was something of a totalitarian state and it's people were brainwashed into hating outsiders, rather than deal with frosty relations to get the medical supplies (which the town produced the best) they would force Vault City into a broken state and re-offer them annexation.

They can be cruel people, and still consider just steamrolling everything beneath sheer weight of numbers as the best policy, regardless of the locals; the grunts may mean well but the higher echelons are as power hungry and sometimes corrupt as they come.

Well that was when the devs didn t listen to cry babies. In old school turn bases rpg there were things that you just couldn t kill until you got hard. Now I m crying about the enemy never being hard. Everyone says they scraqed 1 Enclave if fo3 real easy why do they allways a trooper. They had check points with controled deathclaws and 4 or 5 hard men. Maybe telsa maybe hellfire. Better have a damn good pistol for that at level 2 when you d only see 1 regular Enclave trooper by the mini mart. Game glitch. Pistol at level 2??? CL it s spitting on them. How ever easy Enclave was in fo3 CL is 1000 times easier.

As I've said, Cesars Legion was hurt by the engien, otherwise they would have been really badass.

Well sadley they r not hard. The writers made them sound scary. They did a good job. Problem was hp and they are really dumb. I promise you out of 4 in the wastes I ll have to run 2 down and cut them up. As soon as I shoot 2 the other 2 r cower. I would not lie about a video game. How ever they were supposed be they r not. Wish they were. Might help if more than one of them had a used up 10. I m not sword fighting them either. They need to realize they r about 3700 years past their prime. A change in tactics would be a nice start. Losing Roman Legion as their mo would work wonders Im sure.

Well they should have done something. How could they put them out there like that and think it would be ok????

Two reasons not to lose thire Roman influnces:

1 Is story reasons.

2 Is it was an easy way for them to make tribals threatening, having them being an organised force.

But this wouldn't be the right place for this disscusion, let's creat a new topic. Would you do the honnor Rook, as it's you who has gripes with them?

Again, like I said in another post, you just hate the Legion, Gameplay wise they are more harder than the Enclave in Fallout 3 due to the use of DT instead of DR, but the engine doesnt help, like elven said

Dont worry, I also hate two other factions (BOS and NCR)

they get me much easier them ranged attackers. Dog head and crew, in Nipton always kicks my butt if I don't take companions to help me the early. Plus if you use a mod that Make DT ha hard counter and adds in DR as well They can shrug off pretty hefty amount of firepower.

Yes i agree with this. Those games were the firsts and always will be the first ones. They started it all and made it to become what it is.

I think we're spinning a bit much here. The VC CItizens were not brainwashed, they just hated outsiders. One doesnt have to be brainwashed to be arrogant.

The NCR did deal through frosty relations for medical supplies. Some elements also engaged Bishop to harrass VC, that much is true, but you've kinda phrased it like there was no trade/communication at all.

Not all of the Higher ups are power hungry and corrupt. Yes, some are, as in any democracy, nay, in any government democratic or otherwise. However some are motivated by the big picutre and rekindling the light of civilisiation.

As far as the Enclave goes, I was thinking about a new faction, the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tennessee_Valley_Authority and allow them to have (pre-war) ties to the Enclave. With the TVA being a federal owned corporation, they are likely to have their own fallout shelters (not Vaults, but possibly constructed by Vault-Tec). In a harsher reality, and maybe closer to the War, they may have used more violent means to grab the land required for their projects, and once the FO universe moves closer to the Great War, some locations may be converted to research weapons and vehicles, their federal ownership in FO may just come to mean the Enclave part of the US government.

Several years after FO3, the Eastern Enclave Remnant under Autumn could come into contact with the TVA and reestablish relation between the 2, eventually leading into the Enclave merging with the TVA (the TVA being absorbed into the Enclave). The end result being a solid base of operations for the Enclave.

That's a lot of maybe's, why would the Enclave have a massive interest in the TVA, whilst I can imagine some high people in the TVA being apart of the Enclave as to allow some Enclave members corporations to be allowed preferential treatment; no where near enough to warrent a completely seperate shelter, the idea of which is pretty obselete when your apart of the Enclave anyway seeing as how they already had a plan.

The pre-war Enclave was by no means a massive organisation, infact they probably kept it as small as possible for the most part to attract less attention and so that there would be less people to try and satisfy. Like Poseidon Energy and RobCo/REPCONN stealing from each other, even though it is a dead cert that members of both companies were Enclave (though given that this stealing was just before the Great War, which the Enclave had already planned for, it's quite likely that the thievings were authorised and perpetraited by people unaware of the Enclave, which probably didn't care anyway, with the imminent war and all.)

Why, how did Gambryo make CL weak?

Limiting numbers, I would guess.

They lead monotenous lives, most don't ever leave the city's walls or even into the Courtyard, any records that they may be tainted from radiation are swiftly deleted and the concept of democracy is ridiculed as "mob rule", they are oppressed and unhappy and they don't even know it; there's even a Nineteen Eighty Four reference when they say they feel, "doubleplusgood", the developers meant for them to be brainwashed drones. Hate has to stem from somewhere, and when the majority VC citizens are denied any form of comparison because they are almost scared to leave the walls and the city proper, because they are told that the wasteland is a bad place and most outside VC are not to be trusted.

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Non of which is primary evidence of Brainwashing. Yeah, they're isolationist, arrogant and afraid of the outside world, as you'd really expect any bunch of vault dwellers to be, not through brainwashing but because they've been living in the womb for decades. I'm not aware of any "DoublePlusGood" reference, but it sounds like it could just be a reference to the beurocratic nature of Vault City.

Do you have any evidence of the Developers intentions? Bible Post? Leaked Design Doc?

Indeed "Hate" does have to come from somewhere, but here its the rather simple place humans have been finding it for centuries. They are not like us, they have funny physical characteristics, therefore we hate them. No different to common racism found in humanity since, well, since we became aware of teh "Funny people" just over the hill (not saying I endorse racism, quite the opposite, just that its been around for a long time)

LOL I would make a very well worded poll,but I m too dumb to figure out how. Some fourms have a separate " make poll". It also may be that I m not getting all the functions of the site, because im on ps3

You could do a poll in fo discussion. Just make it about thier difficulty not about thier story. Don t even mention Enclave. Pure main enemy difficulty. Did CL cut it???? NO

Wait Wait you think that I think that CL is hard??? Look I was villified I went to Cottonwood Cove killed everyman there from 1 rock loud sniper reseived 0 damage. I freed some slaves. I got on the ferry went into Ceaser s camp killed every cl there except the little kids, because the game would not let me. I went across draw bridge like 6 men were right there. Some even had guns they took me down to half hp., but they were dead mini gun ap rounds. I went to the overlook behind Ceaser s tent all those men down in the back lol I fired 1 missle 3 40mm grendes from grenade rifle and finished them off with loud sniper rifle 308ap rounds. I took 0 damage. Ceaser s tent...