» Sat Apr 10, 2010 4:58 pm "Prepared for a nuclear attack from China, the president and the Enclave retreats to remote sections around the globe and make contingency plans for continuing the war."
holds any kind of relevance, can be rationally justified (if it is indeed justifyable) or is even canonical. In this users opinion, the canonicity of the Bible is not something I have the authority to say; the fact that games have both proved it right and wrong makes me think of it as a bowl which developers occassionally touch back upon for ideas, if nothing else. However, I can say whether I believe that the line holds any kind of water in an arguement, so I will try and combat the spring of arguements which it was my great misfortune to miss yesterday. I will tackle these in no particular order, as I read them backwards from the previous thread most likely.
1. Raven Rock (RR) was not affiliated with the Enclave pre-war, Eden himself confirms that RR was a Continuity of Government station, aside from that fact, the Enclave was not the government. Whilst their pre-war history will more than likely never be fully explained, we can speculate that the Enclave was a secretive cabal of an undeterminate size (though again with this we can speculate) who all secretly fraternised for an uncertain objective: maybe they all had a vision in mind for America which they usurped their legitimate (or otherwise, dependant on the case) authority to create, maybe they just wanted money and worked like a fraternity who all helped each other out, made sure that their friends got the promotions and the contracts etc. Whatever the case was, they were niether official, public-knowledge, or even held any legitimate authority at all; more than likely "Enclave" was a code-word, maybe a header on a secret piece of paper in a security deposit box , who knows. The Enclave simply knew about Raven Rock and President Richardson simply maintained contact after he found out he had a sentient calculator/data storage device.
2. The Innoculation may be able to be sent in a digitised form to other parts of the world through any surviving PoseidoNet or satilite communications; so. One cannot simply "re-manufacture" massive amounts of a vaccine without proper equipment and components, the Enclave themselves had a massive supply chain through-out the wasteland bringing them the chemical components that they needed to manufacture the virus/chemical.
My Arguement:
For the reasons that the Innoculation cannot, presumabley, be produced (unless all of these Enclave bases have germ warfare laboratories) among others I believe that the Enclave all stemmed from Raven Rock with a recent mainland outpost at Navarro. Let us here what President Richardson has to say on the subject:
{273}{prs54}{You could try, I suppose, but soon the staff of the Enclave and Navarro will be inoculated.}
{250}{prs45}{Simple. Navarro is an isolated base. Our vertibirds have a limited range. They refuel there.}
The Enclave wanted to rebuild America, but they saw the ravages of the Master's Army (as Richardson says that they found Maripose 70 years ago, 10 years after Fallout) and just the general desolateness, not even the NCR existed in any major form to convince them otherwise.
{293}{prs62}{Not at all. Look to the future. Sure muties and men could get along for a while, but before you know it, the numeric pressure of your kind would tell. No, a line must be drawn in the sand - the buck stops here.}
{237}{prs40b}{The Project will cleanse all the mutants from our fair land - and the rest of the globe. Once again, America will be the world's policeman.}
{262}{prs49}{Never. Part of the president's job is to make the tough decisions. A lot of near-humans will sacrifice their lives for the return of humanity. Humans will prevail.}
{265}{prs50}{You can't stop it. The tests are complete and the toxin is ready for release. In hours, your villagers will be the first to make the ultimate sacrifice. The other mutants will follow. An unfortunate footnote in the continuing history of the human race.}
The Enclave however eventually reached the conclusion that extermination was the only option to go for them to survive, for the human race to survive; they wanted to rebuild and govern [b]America[/i], not conquer the world, what good would the Enclave in Timbuktu or Bon be? If anything, by keeping themselves so isolated from each other, they are potentially risking the creation of future opposing nations. Richardson is laughing at you, he says to you that you can shoot him or even use him as a hostage but it won't matter, because the Project is only hours away and he has won regardless; he is completely honest and frank with you all of the time. He would have said, "soon everyone in the Enclave will be inoculated," or something to that effect. Notice too how he refers to the Oil Rig as the Enclave, because the Enclave are the Oil Rig!
Again, how big could the pre-war Enclave have been and still been a shadow government, how many scientists, business leaders, military commanders and politicians of value are there in America to actually suggest that months before the war they all disappeared to completely self-sustaining bases all over the world, bases that could go centuaries without interbreeding and stagnation.
In my opinion to spawn another army of Enclave (funny how everyone thinks that they are just an army and are just bothered by genetics, looking at you F3 :stare:) would be just plain laziness, impractical and un-canonical. Aside from Chicago there are no indications that there are anymore Enclave in hiding, Raven Rock (and presumably Chicago) where formed from Oil Rig/ Navarro surivors.
