[lydia nekongo]

President Eden makes clear pre-war bunker complexes evacuated to the West-Coast years after the war.

President Richardson makes clear that the Oil Rig and Navarro willing be getting the Curling-13 vaccine so that they were not affected by the completion of the Project, ergo those are the two primary locations of the Enclave otherwise he would have mentioned others or wouldn't have been so specific.

There are no Enclave hiding anywhere else, to be in the Enclave you have to be from the Oil Rig to have been apart of their society. Say there was some bunker that was full of other descendants of the US government, they wouldn't be automatically be part of the Enclave would they? They'd have their own society and culture and beliefs completely separate to the Enclave.

[Nicola]

if the Enclave is he true America, then maybe America deserves to truly die if it willing to resort to such methods. Mutants or not, they are still living people, who deserve to live there lives just as much as any other.

[gemma]

In Fallout 2 it just killed humans, regardless of "mutation". In Fallout 3 it targeted humanoids, not everything "mutated".

Also radiation-induced mutations (say from global nuclear war and wide-spread fall-out) are not the same as natural mutations/evolution; they tend to be of the cancer and birth defect variety.

[Eire Charlotta]

But they're not the only ones capable of restoring order. Numerous factions in the wasteland, the NCR, Vault City, Mr. House, the Pitt (lesser so in the case of morals but still), Lyon's Brotherhood...they've all proven they're highly capable of rebuilding a civilization with order. And as flawed as of those factions may be, they have far more justified means of restoring order than eradicating all life in the wasteland that isn't them, like the Enclave.

The wasteland doesn't need the Enclave, because the old world is dead and there is no America left. And the Enclave are just as dead as well by the events of Fallout 3.

[Music Show]

Well he couldn't just say everything some of the stuff is classified so there is probably still a lot of classified stuff that they haven't talked about.

[Guinevere Wood]

U.S. forces were closing in on Beijing when the war began in October 2077. China was certainly losing, which generally points to the most likely culprit of "who launched first" to be the Chinese, who had nothing to lose at that point.

[Lauren Denman]

This goes for both of you, nothing President Richardson says is a lie. He tells you straight up everything and at one point laughs in your face if you try and threaten him. He has no reason to lie, especially not when he tells you his entire plan which all turns out to be entirely true. So yeah, I don't buy that he was lying.

Provide sources, where else is it said that the US was losing. Losing so much that they'd bring out the ICBMs.

Where am I misreading you exactly?

[Charleigh Anderson]

He has evey reason to lie. Its the way of the enclave. The idea that he told the truth to an enemy is more unlikely than that he spread misinformation as he has been taught his whole life.

Its even possible that the enclave protects its secrets so well that richardson himself had been told "yeah china struck first" by previous generations that knew the truth....

The whole point of the enclave is "evil conspiracy". One can speculate they wanted, planned and executed the great war.

[Sherry Speakman]

I say the opposite. Richardson claims china struck first. Reread my post as many times you need.

[Noely Ulloa]

What part of "provide sources" are you missing exactly as to why the US was losing the war?

Also yeah, literally everything he tells you is the truth. So no.

[mollypop]

Here i clearly state that richardson says the chinese struck first.

[..xX Vin Xx..]

Because the Enclave is competent. And many Enclave survivors are likely to be part of the NCR military right about now.

[Kit Marsden]

Yeah, you edited it after I made my post, it originally read:

Now go back and provide some sources.

[Christine]

I said its clear noone was winning the war.

And you have failed to prove that the US was winning (because that is never stated)

[sam westover]

Because the Enclave is competent. And many Enclave survivors are likely to be part of the NCR military right about now.

[Bethany Watkin]

Fallout New Vegas makes clear that members of the Enclave are tried for War Crimes, even Arcade Gannon is tried after he fights alongside the NCR in Enclave Power Armour.

Though Arcade was crushed by the Legion's victory at Hoover Dam, he was not among NCR's casualties. During the NCR's retreat from the Mojave Wasteland, he helped defend NCR citizens and refugees on their way to http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Mojave_Outpost. Unfortunately, a NCR ranger identified his father's armor as Enclave property. He was arrested, tried as a war criminal, and imprisoned indefinitel

Also the NCR attacked the Enclave and killed many of them, that would be like a US soldier joining the Taliban.

[Alisha Clarke]

Because biological weapons always attack only their intended target. Especially ones with a history in the lab of doing things they were not designed to do and not doing things they were designed to do.

[Laura Richards]

I am still waiting for the proof that the US won the great war. Had it in the bag so to speak.


No?

Thought so, you cant link proof BECAUSE THERE IS NONE

And stop misquoting me

[Kortknee Bell]

Apart from all those sources saying that the US had driven out the Chinese and had then invaded mainland China at mutliple points which, lacking any evidence to suggest a US loss, indicates that they are winning. Your the one saying "oh no they weren't" over and over again. I'm not proving that they are winning, merely weighing the evidence of their victories versus their losses which indicates that they were winning based on what we currently know which, based on what we currently know, indicates that they were not likely to have nuked China.

[Add Me]

No one won the Great War. And it matters not who shot first; both sides had a hand in escalating things to nuclear armageddon.

[BRAD MONTGOMERY]

I dont give 2 cents for your "likely".

The facts is you were 100% wrong. It has never been stated that the US were winning the war

What USSR was upto is also a mystery

[Nana Samboy]

For me the question is what would change if the same sort of government came back to power, and as others have said they wanted to keep the pure humans with no mutations, love the ghouls or hate them they are still aware the feral ghouls i kill on sight but the others i let them be and if the enclave had their way they would kill them all and clear the way for the pure humans, and that sort of sounds like a certain WW2 reich tried to do.

The Enclave seems like a military focused organisation, and getting military power asap seems to be their focus, and on building up an arsenal again in case they get invaded by another country would be my guess or in order to quickly wipe out an enemy force, the Brotherhood wants to horde technology to avoid people miss using the tech once again and reverse engineer certain things to improve conditions around the wasteland, such as the water supply in fallout 3 and slowly try to clean the wasteland so people can start to live off the land and such again, but in fallout 2 they did seem semi bad Brotherhood when it came to hunting super mutants and such even the ghouls got the short end of the stick there.

[Verity Hurding]

Your the one calling it "the death of the world", its a virus that attacks humans and kills its host in 24 hours. If you want to go by what "might be" then maybe there's a gaint asteroid that going to hit the Fallout world in 2432 and erase all human progress again. We can only go by what we know and that suggested that the virus was effective in doing what it was designed to - which was kill people.

There's no point arguing this anyway, neither of us is defending the morality of the virus or it's deployment.

[BRIANNA]

Competent. They got their ass kicked by a tribal, who blew up their oil rig. And later on, got their ass kicked by a kid from a vault over a giant Brita Filter.
Competent.

[Cassie Boyle]

They wanted to clear the way for themselves and no not because they thought they were the ubermensch; because they, like every other faction, wanted to be top dog and were willing to kill everyone to ensure that they were.

What-ever guy. I thought you were after an actual discussion on this FORUM not just complaining that the developers haven't said that the US was winning. I thought that were were going to discus and compare evidence and have a reasonable chat. But what-ever, if you'd rather just cry about it go ahead.

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