Yet I bet you still shoot at them instead of taking them up close with Melee weapons.

Nope didn't learn anything, went there with a mission, came out a success, claimed victory over the Long 15, laughed in the faces of all the NCR I laid to waste with the press of a button. I felt rather powerful actually.

I cant believe im saying this but your right. The world has been nuked before, and what happened was devestated, but the NCR need to pay for their crimes, so do the Legion. Its hard to justify the nuking of them, but in my new playthrough (just started, in primm right now) i will consider it.

Yes,we humans have launched enough nuclear warheads to destroy the world! And we survived. I think we can survive two more.

The Apocalypse. I can't have the NCR or The Legion harassing my completely independent citizens with ideal promises now.

Nope, I fight Legion Assassin's with Gehenna, my fiery sword of justice - while they SHOOT at me, I must point out!
Wow, pressing a button made you powerful... what a man! LOL =p



and two more, and another two, and hell why not four more, while you are at it... LOL *rolls eyes*


Woah R.J.! I'm pleasantly surprised to see that you are going to at least consider the other option.


Yea, what the hell, just blow 'em all to pieces. Who cares if you cut off supply lines or maybe a husband of wife that might be married to one of your citizens... =p

OK people, I know it's a game, but I try to consider my actions as if they mattered. New Vegas is an amazing game and I love that your actions have major consequences, so yea, I will carefully consider the path I choose. But, I'm mostly pulling your legs here, when I don't agree with you! No flaming intended. It's all in good fun.

Yes! Launch them all! Humans won't change. They will destroy the world over again if they could.

Why, i can be merciful to my enemies too, and i can be cold. I help all innocent if i can, even when im almost out of caps, i still buy a little water for some bum sitting outside megaton or whatever. I may kill many, but maybe i am wrong nuking my enemies.

We are in a post nuclear wasteland, and you decide to launch more nukes, that's like joshua graham deciding he wants to be burned alive again, if you're NCR there are still a lot of innocent people in legion territory who are either enslaved or misleaded by edward. And for both factions how are you going to move troops and supplies across irradiated supply lines, the quest is called "the Apocalypse" for a reason.

If your Indy you are securing safety from the NCR and Legion. Atleast bombing the Legion, as innocent casulties will be minimum, and it would deal heavy losses to their army.

You have a giant robot army you don't need nukes

Yeah, but a little extra firepower wouldnt hurt.

Thank you ! That's exactly my sentiment! The world has seen enough FALLOUT and nukes, we don't need to add more to it!


Well good and yea, I do think even your enemies need to be seen as "Human Beings", when it comes to such heavy decisions whether to nuke or not to nuke.

I dont see them as something different then human beings, just because i nuke them. But i kinda dont see Legion as human beings, i see them as savage animals trying to push civilization back to the age where humanity struggled. Non a less, i do think nukes have ruined enough, and even though its badass to walk into the Mojave while seeing two nuclear explosions in the east and west, i do think that we need to set limits. So i will think about it, and i got enough time to think (im in Novac right now)

That statement is extremely unethical, regardless of your views on who should govern the Mojave.

The End.

Independence is what belongs to my longtime character (who was with the NCR at first) that I have played since Oct 23, 2010, and The Apocalypse is quite non-beneficial to that character. The reasons?

A.) There is no evidence that the NCR will become your enemy in the future. They would need the bulk of their military to stand up to the securitron army, and again, that is just a waste of their resources. With new leadership (Post Hoover Dam II), it is most likely that NCR will undergo a lot of reforms and try not to spread themselves too thin. Hell, they could become allied with the Courier. So basically, if you played the Wild Card right, you protected Kimball, and sent him home in disgrace and basically eliminated any chance of his future support in the NCR. (A.K.A, a new president and administration is in order)

B.) The Independence players' decision is going to be based off of two things.
1. The Apocalypse is going to ensure the immediate safety of the Courier's regime, but almost wiping New Vegas' economy off of the table.
2. The End is going to ensure that New Vegas' economy blossoms, which gives the Courier's regime money and resources to make needed reforms, etc etc. This is at the cost of the possibility of a NCR (?) or Legion attack.

But what if The End actually supports both of those needs? If you think about it, even if you THINK that NCR would go to war with you, leaving the Legion alive not only keeps the NCR at bay, but it also gives the opportunity for their citizens to go to Vegas, which means, more money and an even more flourishing economy.

Wiping the NCR and Legion off the table is good in the short term, but without the NCR, the Mojave citizens are really the only candidates for visiting and gambling in New Vegas. This means, you are dumping the "secure, truly free Vegas" into a trash-can, and basically moving it towards the anarchy ending.

The Apocalypse made me feel more powerful when I played through it on another character, but it really doesn't. You might scare the living [censored] out of what few people did not die from the explosion, but The End is much more satisfying and much more beneficial in my opinion.

As a follower of Caesar, I found it necessary to not only kill the traitor but nuke the crap out of the NCR! It just makes it easier to defeat them in the end.

I know, and im not afraid to admit it, but i seriously hate the Legion more then anything else, hell i hate the Legion more then Graham himself. Look, i know u dont want my opinion on things, but Legion is just a huge army of slaves slaving away for a old man with [censored] headeques, that thinks about the greater good for humanity, by killing and murdering and plundering and [censored]. Atleast NCR are civilised.

It's called "Condemmed to repeat" for a reason, do anyone here honestly think that the NCR wouldn't nuke the Legion in a heart-beat? Mission creep is inevitable, as is the fact that somewhere else out there there is probably a stock of launchable nuclear weapons.

So? If we have access to the button, and NCR a dummy button, if they push the fake while we destroy the real button so it can't be launched, that would inherently make us the better person. Why bother comparing ourselves to something? If you try to measure up to one thing, you'll fail at many others. I show the NCR mercy because I view them as my allies more or less. The Legion I show mercy because, while I am inherently opposed to their ideologic ideals, I do not believe disagreeing with someone is worth killing them over it, even if they would me.

Another reason why I chose "The End", is because it's going to erase 200 years of progress on either side of the Mojave.

On the East side, the tribes that were conquered by Caesar are going to fall apart and eventually die out, and its' progress will be reduced to near Capital Wasteland level.

On the West side, the amount of progress that has happened is immense, and you are getting rid of a faction that could be of enormous benefit to anyone except Caesar.

Either way, you're screwing everyone outside of/bordering the Mojave if you bomb them.

No, you aint screwing BoS and Enclave (remnants). Why should they care if a faction like NCR would go?

No, you aint screwing BoS and Enclave (remnants). Why should they care if a faction like NCR would go?

The remnants of the Enclave are not a faction... They are remnants... (it's a bunch of veterans..)
That and the fact that Gingy is not talking about a faction orientated view of the end but about what he believes is more beneficial to the wasteland.

BoS and the Enclave remnants are a part of the wasteland last time i checked.

Lol is my only response at this time...

Gehenna? Is that a mod or something from GRA I've yet to see