What about dragons ?

I think some of you are taking this way too seriously. It's a game, get over it.

I mean, ethics? Really? :rolleyes:

Yes, ethics.
Some of us take the lore seriously, for some of us the depth of the lore, the intricacy of the story, the world, behind the games is important.
Maybe even more important than the games themselves.

If thats ok with you.

Then RP wise only a necromancer would be up for black soul trapping.

Soul trapping monsters and beasts seems okay for any other mage really.

Get a life, for god's sake.

No.
And my allegiance lies with Meridia, not a monotheistic one.

I don't go for the black soul gems, and animals are rarely worth it.

Daedra are okay though; if they're going to http://www.imperial-library.info/content/battlespire-spirit-daedra, then might as well make the game more interesting for them. They're immortal, so a few years stuck in a sword shouldn't seem like too long.

Trapping my own summoned ones seems impolite and unsporting though.


It's all for fun anyway.

Then go buy some imagination and roleplaying skills, for god's sake.

Seriously, you barge in a RP/lore thread and act like a doosh.

Why do you bother posting here anyway ? shoo away or I trap you into a tiny soulstone that I use for genital piercing of my horse.

Well in TES souls don't go to the afterlife. They just reincarnate into new people.

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To answer the poll.

1. No. It's evil to bind a persons soul in a black soul gem. I won't even try to defend that.

2. Is it OK to trap an animals soul? I'm a bit on the fence with this. I don't think its right. But I'd do it anyway if I'm attacked by one. I won't actively go looking for animal souls to bind.

3. Is OK to trap a spirit's soul? This is one more complicated. I would have zero problem with trapping a lich's soul, or an evil spirits. But a zombie? I would be apprehensive about because not only were they resurrected without choice, their soul has to be confined to slavery as well. Though even as I say this I would probably bind a Zombie's soul as well.

4. Is it OK to trap a summoned creatures soul? I don't think I would. I mean its just rude. The creature is already bound to help you. I feel its just adding insult to injury to soul bind them as well. I won't do it.

Yes but you could very well argue that when you stole the soul of that filthy bandit, you actually saved him from an eternity suffering at the hands of the Daedric Lords.

From a lore and RP perspective i find this thread most interesting, it is likely that my character will at some point be more concerned about this very subject! :nod:

In Oblivion I would soul trap Necromancers, turnaround is fair play and all that. Any other humans, not a chance.

Fiction plays a major role in thinking about stuff like ethics. Don't underestimate it, because if you ignore the fact that culture impacts your way of thinking about the world, you'll become a tool of the cultural industry. Our lives consist of stories that shape us. Yes, even The Elder Scrolls has its impact on ethics. I'm a Humanities student and the most important thing I have learned is not to underestimate the role of culture in our lives.

Well I'm not sure about that. Sure soul trapping an "evil" person may seem like deserved justice. But the thing is, in the Elderscrolls people reincarnate after death. So you're pretty much just denying him a chance to be a good person in his next life. It seems unnecessarily cruel.

I would have no problems with necromancers and/or other 'evil" practitioners of magic and so on...

I don't see why I should feel sorru for something that isn't real. Trap away!

That makes no sense whatsoever. We're talking about TES where souls are confirmed to be real. If they weren't real you wouldn't be able to trap them.

Making worm thralls is cruel too. You could call conjurers evil, but they got a good clean death. I think it's a fitting act of righteous anger, not just because the Mages' Guild quest line made things personal for a mage living in Bruma, but justice for their victims.

[And if you are daft enough to follow that charlatan, not only a disgrace to his race, but actually claiming to be the King of Worms, you deserve what you get ]

Another who believes that it's just a game (which it is) but what people seem to forget (so they can argue and so on) is that it's a RP game and there are many people who find it great fun to do just that and delve into the lore 'o this world (TES)!

Me neither. I don't think all Necromancers are that bad well.. Not necessarily. I think the reason why we saw so many Necromancer enemies in Oblivion was a result of Mage's guilds ban. I'm not saying they're good either, I'm just saying I don't hate them/naturally dislike them.

I would be kind of pissed if the Mages guild banned conjuration as well. No one's taking away my Daedra!

I in fact do! :nod:

Yeah, it's not real. The thing is we are discussing the ethics of an imaginary character, so saying it's not real doesn't really have a bearing on the discussion.
"Discuss the effect of the witches' scenes in Macbeth, on a modern audience, and on Shakespeare's contemporaries. Compare and contrast."
"Shan't, it's not real."

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The only humanoids i use to soul trap are criminals and gingers.