In real the human race has evolved from Bacteria to crocodile, Crocodile to monkey, monkey to cave men, and from cave men to moderm day humans.
And then it all happend, gunpowder, Trains, Television, phones, Radio, electric guitars, air planes, microwaves, Light sabres, Canned socks. We all have it.
But will the Men and mer still evolve, from the games we seen orcs change in to less savage people, argonians evolving so they could wear helmets.
And will they ever travel the skies in X-wing fighter like warmachines, hunting dragons, go to a theatre to watch a new movie, orrfinally realize that they all share the same ancestors, and there are no gods or daedras.

You can't just say that, you have no proof.

In the ES world, it's not so much "Evolution", but rather interbreeding and Daedron Princes thinking it would be cool if the bosmer looked like cats.

And it's not very likely you'll get a future in the ES world with movie theatres and X-Wings, but rather a post-apocolaptic one with an Order of Digital Priests who do metaphysical experiments in order to induce Godhood, because no one loves the magical Hermaphrodite anymore.

Sorry dude, this thread is going to spark alot of tension because of the...eh..subject we're discussing. Thats my two cents. In the TES world, I think the people adapt to their surroundings. For example, the Khajjit were once thought to be elves who turned into cats because of the harsh desert climates of their homeland. Others think they were always cats, but survived because creatures around them couldn't. So its kinda iffy.

As always, those with CHIM can reshape the land. Space stations have already existed (Battlespire), there are Imperial Mananauts, Sunbirds of Alinor, Akatosh's vessel right on Balfiera (aka Adamatium Tower) and I still have hopes for those Vehkships which might come in a few eras. Not to forget giant stomping robots. Or wizards artificially creating people (Divayth Fyr), Dwemer steam technology, weather machines and dirigibles. Of course, all that doesn't have anything to do with evolution, but with technological advancement, but anyways. And what concerns aedra and daedra, I'd rather see people seeing the difference between gods and God than all of them not existing.



Let's not go there...

You're forgetting the moon base MK promised us

And we got it in Morrowind.

Maybe they evolved... but they did it all at once.

I'm asumming this is the exact same moment Lorkhan died with his heart flung into Nirn, Magnus left, Meridia and Mr.Leaper got kicked out and Trinimac got digested into a turd

Actually, the Intercept makes the transition from the "Aldmeris" state of the Aldmer to the current state seem like Darwinian evolution. Except that the evolution was a mythic one: different subgroups of the Elves developed different ideologies and thought-patterns from their brethren, "splitting" the "continent" of Aldmeris and causing each group (which lived in a different region) to evolve differently -- if you can call it evolution. It's really mythopoeia.

(Changes due to Daedric Princes notwithstanding).

Nope, a bit earlier, before Akatosh arrived on Nirn. Time was nonlinear and simultaneous so the development of many species happened over threebillionyearsthirteenmilisecondsorwasthatjustsincelasttuesday?

The "evolution" of the et'Ada in the dawn time reminds me more of the evolution of own universe, rather than the evolution of animal species. There had to be a sub-atomic "evolution" first of all, before matter could begin to group together into arrangements of atoms and then molecules... and even before that, there had to be a "dimensional" evolution as the new universe unfolded from the singularity.

All this would have happened in a fraction of a second, though.

Ah, yes, which is why I said the Intercept makes it seem like Darwinian evolution. Note the bit at the end that says "but it's really mythopoeia."

No, not even close. Survival molds the populations of living things in Darwinian mechanics. Interpretation of events at Convention molds Aldmer ethnic and racial genesis.

The word you're thinking about is social darwinism.

(Edit: Except the social darwinism has biological effects, obviously.)

Meh, whatever. Evolutionary theory and eugenics aren't my forte, so I plead the Fifth on the naming.

Anyway, my original point still stands: MK's idea is like evolution with a magickal twist, which is why I directed the OP towards the Intercept in his quest to see "how Nirn evolved." Which it didn't, really (I think), but whatever.

"Social Darwinism" is a VERY VERY poor fit for what happens on Nirn.

I was more responding to KnightMariel's statements about schisms:




Mythopoeia isn't really accurate, as that just means "the creation of myths".

I hope you're not referring to Murrine...

Wait a sec, I resent that! I may not know much about social darwinism and evolutionary nomenclature, but I do know my TES well enough to know that the divergence of Aldmeri species (if you want to call it that) WAS a form of myth making, or mythopoeia. I mean, that was the whole point, wasn't it? They created their own myths and records of the same events and metaphysical principles -- and in TES, that meant that they created a fundamental difference that was physically manifested in the form of different types of mer forming. It is also embodied in the creation of the Towers, since each group of mer used a different philosophy to make them. The Ayleids, for instance, picked the Wheel-Within-The-Wheel.

http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/nu-hatta_nu-mantia.shtml#4!

The discussion of real-world evolution has got to stop, or the moderators will have to close this thread. It is a restricted topic on these forums, and the Lore forum is not exempt from the restriction.

If you are going to bring up any concept from real-world Darwinian evolution, you will need to do so only in direct relation to a point of lore.

I noticed something; regular Dreughs are often seen as "octopus men", for their many tentacles. However, Land Dreughs, which presumably evolved from aquatic dreughs, seem much more like terrestrial crabs. This, along with the fact that both species have an exoskeleton and pincers, seems to imply that the sea dreughs are more of crustaceans than mollusks.

???

I guess it would fall under 'religion', since it attracts controversies on that front. If you have any further questions regarding that, do feel free to PM us, but we'd rather not discuss it on the board for fear of further derailing the thread.

Now, about them crab-men ...?

I believe you are looking for this, stated in the Rules thread.