I have a thief character who did a lot of "naughty" stuff in the city of Daggerfall, unfortunately when she was low-levelled and without much success. Either way, you know how it is. I became "hated" and banished.

I can return to the town but guards will still seem to go after me chanting their "HALT HALT HALT", and when caught, no matter how I plead, it's always still banishment.

In the eyes of the law of Daggerfall, I'm "hated". I really want to raise that as I'm good friends with the other major provinces and Daggerfall is what I considered my "main town".

Now, the main ways to raise your legal status are by:

1) Turning your ally over during "The Escort" quests to the guards. I cannot find this quest ANYWHERE.

2) Staying out of trouble from that province, your legal status is supposedly meant to slowly return to the neutral integer once per month. I have fast travelled ruthlessly but there is no change. I was banished several times, mind you. Even though "hated" is a legal reputation of -6, is it possible that my reputation is below that and it'll take longer to get it back? Maybe I can't fast travel and I have to wait it out for real? That'd be crazy.

3) CHEATING! I have used both that old DOS command Reputation Editor and DAGGERED, however even when I return what I THINK is my legal status to 0, it still says I'm "hated" and the "HALT HALT HALT"'s still echo throughout the town. I've been told legal status is separate from normal reputation and cannot be edited, at least not the way one edits normal reputation?

Any idea how I can undo this? This character is fairly ahead in the storyline and I'd rather not start over.

It's a merchant quest. Ask around for "work" and you'll be directed to an innkeeper or merchant, or even a guild questgiver. You probably already knew that.

That's probably the case. I don't know that there's a lower limit to how bad your rep can get, but there's a good chance that you're somewhere way down that it just takes a long time to improve. The law has a good memory, it seems.

The legal reputation apparently is unaccessible via the current rep editors. http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=692347&hl=.

That Merchant Guild Quest also has only a 1/4 chance of involving the legal authorities. The other times it is one of the guilds (Dark Brotherhood, Thieves and Mages) that is after you and your charge.

I hear that the climate of Sentinel is quite nice. B)

I'm already good friends with Sentinel after the story quests that went through there. But I miss Daggerfall's snowy towns, they have this charm to them, moreso than Wayrest even if they are nearly identical.

But I cannot enjoy them with HALT HALT HALT cancelling out the wonderful music.

Try contracting vampirism :>

It should reset all the reputation counters, even the law(?). I'm curious even if you're not.

Good joke.

I would hope it's a joke.

I'd consider fast travelling like mad for years, but then my reputation with guilds would probably be down the toilet.

I was serious.

Kicked out, I would presume.

I remember someone saying that if you get rep low enough, it revolves to the top, so youre the most beloved thief in Daggerfall Dont trust me though!

Only the dialog changes (it rolls over to a positive message), reactions from guards and people on the street stay negative. <_<

The legal reputation is accessible using an editor I made a very long time ago, maybe in 1999 or 2000, I don't remember exactly. This editor was called Dagrep. I had to understand the file format to discover where the information was stored. Good ol' Daggerfall hacking days...

Since Dagrep seems to not be available anymore on the web, I put it http://rapidshare.com/files/171845193/dagrep.zip.html.

PS. Keep in mind that it's an old program I wrote when I had nearly no programming skills at all (now that I'm a dev, I mean that it's my job, I would find this old VB6 source code absolutely ridiculous :facepalm:).

Wow, thanks! This is a very useful program, and I think the programming for it is fine, at least from a usage standpoint. You ought to make it available to the general public again.

Turns out my reputation with the law of Daggerfall was -17882. I don't know how on earth that happened, I always assumed reputation only cut off at -99, but...wow...apparently those punishments append more onto your bad reputation than is to be expected.

Est-ce que tu parles francais? Moi aussi!

Oui en fait je suis fran?ais.

Otherwise, the fact that your legal rep can drop to -17882 is not unusual in Daggerfall, it's a bug I often encountered while playing the game in the past. In fact I didn't know that the legal rep dropped so much, but I knew it was due to a bug since each time, my character was a 'common citizen' and suddenly became 'hated' although between the 'hated' and 'common citizen' status, there are a few ones which I did not see (like 'pond scum' or 'scoundrel' if I remember correctly). Maybe that's this particular bug that motivated me to find out where the legal rep was stored in the savegame file.

Anyway, glad to see that 7-8 years after I made it, my small Daggerfall reputation editor is still usefull for someone.

Yeah. Even though there's what, five ranks below "common citizen" but before "hated", the only one I saw prominently was "undependable", afterwards it seemed to jump down to "hated". Odd.

AWESOME! Ferital, you save the day. Of course, now I have to berate you for holding out on us for so long

Sure, you can! A few months ago, I already said in another thread I would put this editor somewhere and never did it. Laziness...

Bumping this old thread because I have reputation woes, too. I used DAGREP to reveal exactly what they were. This is nothing on the order of -17000, though, and it looks like I work back into good graces, if I knew how.

E:\DAGGER>rep 0 meneviaProcessing SAVE0\SAVEVARS.DAT: "Snuggling"Court of Menevia, Court, Nobility, Region   Your reputation: -30, Their power: 50   Allies: None   Enemies: NonePeople of Menevia, People, Commoners, General Populace   Your reputation: -32, Their power: 5   Allies: None   Enemies: NoneMenevia, Region, Nobility, Region   Your reputation: -30, Their power: 67   Allies: Phrygia, The Fighters Guild   Enemies: None

The problem was the Smuggling quest, assigned to me by a merchant. This quest lowered legal rep to -100, but fortunately that resolved back to 0 at the end of the quest, like I guess it's supposed to. But I... um... killed a few guards while I was on the quest. That's what happened there. When I saw that output from DAGREP I tried doing quests from the Fighters Guild to see if (as an ally) the Menevia rep would rise, but it didn't. Then I had another idea. Try taking a quest directly for a commoner, if that was possible. I tried taking a work assignment from half-dressed girl in a tavern, thinking perhaps that she was in People of Menevia. But no... she's in prosttutes
Menevia is one of a number of minor provinces that don't have Knights. I believe Knights can get reputation with commoners, the court, and region. I don't know who else could possibly improve my rep. No commoners in Menevia will talk to me, at all.

So... I'm wondering two things.

• Is it possible to get a quest from a commoner? Not some guy walking in the streets, I know that... I'm talking about static NPCs that are members of the People of [region]. Do they ever give jobs?
  
• Is it possible to find a master list of Factions, Associated Factions, Allies, and Enemies out there? Like on the UESP for example, they usually give a list a faction's associates. I need something more thorough than that.

If it is your legal reputation that you're having trouble with, there are only two quests you can take to improve it. One is the escort the merchant quest, and this one isn't guaranteed to raise your legal rep as the faction who wants the merchant could be guards/DB/nobody (maybe others). The other one is the gem thief quest.

There are Commoner quests you can do, but with your low reputation I'm not sure whether they'll offer you a quest at all.

The legal reputation isn't a problem.

What commoners give quests?

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Daggerfall:Quests usually. But they're not really commoners per say.

You can also get quests from any NPC in guildhalls, temples, taverns etc. but the chance of getting them from innkeepers and merchants is much higher. And you can also ask "commoner" NPCs about work and they have a chance of directing you to the person who is offering a quest.

Nope. Like I said, the only faction able to improve your rep with commoners are Knights. Someone please prove me wrong.

I admit that I don't know what the reputation outcomes are for these quests, or that this info is even correct, but AFAIK those quests with a prefix of "A" are commoner quests. Just as Dark Brotherhood quests are prefixed with an "L".