[Miguel]

After playing Oblivion and then Fallout 3, Bethesda went from being a unknown developer to my favourite developer, and I consider their last two games to be some of the best games ever made. Skyrim will most definitely continue with that trend, I see tons of GotY awards in its future. I look forward to seeing what ways Skyrim will evolve and improve over the other ES games, unlike a lot of people who seem to think BGS should just make the same game over and over with just a different setting each time :flamethrower: I know Bethesda will surprise me and that I'm going to have a lot of fun with ESV irregardless of whether or not my most desired features make the cut, because they've proven time and time again that they know how to deliver a completely immersive experience

[BlackaneseB]

I know what would boost morale....... THE FAN Q&A!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Sorry about the nerd rage.

[phillip crookes]

THIS JUST IN: PHYSICS PROFESSORS AND CHILDREN'S OPINIONS ON PHYSICS MUST BE EQUALLY WEIGHTED!

Yea... you misused that.

It absolutely amazes me how much you missed the point there.

[Natasha Biss]

Just wanted to say that I'm sorry guys, I've just realized I haven't really been helping the forum morale with my few posts in this topic, I've merely been debating. Also, my posts are a bit off-topic. So here's my small contribution to improve the morale:

So basically I made this thread so we can talk about why we're gonna love Skyrim and reverse this trend that seems to be dragging down this forum.

I like the direction the art design has taken, it looks much better than Oblivion. I love the way npcs look, their faces are miles ahead of Oblivion's.

There seems to be an interesting atmosphere in this game, with the mist in the background there is a good chance of the game having an ethereal atmosphere, which I like. Like the story told is from a dream, or from the past.

Animations look good.

The Nord maid is very sixy :thumbsup:

[electro_fantics]

But one of the very few things recently discovered that actually made me very happy was the returning of the proper Dunmer voice

YOU JUST MADE MY DAY TO THE POWER OF 50.

THANK YOU!

[JUan Martinez]

The sage does not expect that others use his criteria as their own.~Lao Tzu

Just because quiet wisdom is often lost in the shuffle.

I've made this point before, and I'll repeat it - the source of virtually all of the conflict on this board is not the opinions expressed, but the reactions of others to those opinions. If everybody would simply post their own opinions and accept the undeniable fact that others can and will have differing ones, then all the conflict, all the antagonism and all the distractions would simply vanish.

Some people are pleased with some things while others are not. Some people are upset over some things while others are not. Neither opinion is necessarily more valid than the other - they're simply rooted in different criteria. Deal with it.

Thanks.

[Lisha Boo]

This thread gets made every. single. day.
To no avail. Face it, people like to complain about things. How many times can you say you like something?


I love those clouds let's make a thread about it -- everyone agrees, great. Thread over, discussion finished.



I don't like fast travel/quest markers and want the devs to properly cater for people who don't want to zap everywhere or follow a green trianle GPS system, by giving directions and such - let's make a thread about it because it's something I want changed (even though it won't change anything, people inevitably feel it will). Oh look, loads of people are arguing with me. I inevitably want to respond to their arguments and hopefully change their mind (HA).


Negative opinions will continue to get repeated because there's no sense in talking about the good stuff all day. People want the bad stuff to change, and they want people to know they don't like it.
It's hard to put into words, but to me it makes, COMPLETE sense that negative threads dominate, and I don't lose sleep over it.

[mishionary]

You really have no base to your claims that it is aiming at the wider audience. I essence Bethesda is changing the series to make it better, they'll probably make some mistakes but the overall result will be better than previous games.The wider audience is the wider fan base they have gained form Morrowind and more so from Oblivion(many for whom have in fact then played the earlier games.)

No base for my claim other than pretty much every interview with Bethesda mentions 'more approachable' in some way, that's aiming at a wider audience.

[...]

No, I disagree, again something can be an artistic achievement regardless of the aim of its creators. Many paintings from the Renaissance were made merely to please their buyers (flattering portraits, religious scenes commissioned by the church...), and another example I used above: John Donne's sermons were obviously made to please his public.

Aiming for, and pleasing your public is something different than aiming at a as wide as possible audience.

[Evaa]

Everyone is just now realizing the game isn't what they were dreaming of. so they complain about it the only place that anyone would care... here.

I imagined a lot of things that could be in the game, but i expected about 1/10 of them (non-psychic guards, mounted combat, and better stealth, were things i expected, let down on mounted combat though, and maybe stealth). an alternate fast-travel system is something i didn't expect. I expect the game to be awesome.

The Negative Nellies around here have been making the forum kinda a bummer recently, and because of this, my forum attendance has been way down recently.

[Ross]

There are a lot of negative threads based on misconceptions about how features will work or just plain pouting about things that weren't even in Oblivion. Unfortunately, the most vocal population at the moment are the ones who want to complain for the sake of complaining. I haven't seen any good arguments complaining because they boil down to 'I want it done the old way just because".

[Marguerite Dabrin]

The forum morale is falling fast? Or is the hype bubbled burst?

[Jerry Jr. Ortiz]

It's the way people are - no matter how big or sparkly the diamond you give them is, they will ALWAYS find SOMETHING wrong with it, and inflate that fault to a million times its size.

Why am I going to love Skyrim? Because the moment I saw the FIRST trailer, I got goose-bumps all over and almost had what some call a "nerd-gasm". If a game shows no gameplay but makes you feel like that, it's gotta be good.

[Paula Ramos]

It's to be expected.

Most of the news lately has been about what's *not* in the game. Fewer armor pieces, potentially fewer factions, fewer skills, fewer stats to manage (no durability, etc.). So what do you expect? Of course there's going to be a backlash.

Beth has meanwhile kept quiet on the things that would ease people's minds (such details on the new crafting systems), so lately a lot of the optimism is based on pure faith, whereas the pessimism is more based on things we actually know. This should improve as we find out more, but it's no surprise at all the there have been an influx of negative threads recently.

This could be absolute genius on Bethesdas part. If they hold off on all the great info and reveal a good ammount of it two months before the game is released, people are going to happier with the game. I could see them doing this.

[Kyra]

Or, maybe people just have legitimate concerns about their favorite series.

[Lauren Dale]

Just because quiet wisdom is often lost in the shuffle.

I've made this point before, and I'll repeat it - the source of virtually all of the conflict on this board is not the opinions expressed, but the reactions of others to those opinions. If everybody would simply post their own opinions and accept the undeniable fact that others can and will have differing ones, then all the conflict, all the antagonism and all the distractions would simply vanish.

Some people are pleased with some things while others are not. Some people are upset over some things while others are not. Neither opinion is necessarily more valid than the other - they're simply rooted in different criteria. Deal with it.

Thanks.

Despite disagreeing with gpstr on many things I agree on this
Also even if you're upset or angry don't insult people, they won't listen to what you're saying then

[alicia hillier]

Or, maybe people just have legitimate concerns about their favorite series.

Yep.

It's as I've said. Make a thread about how great something is.


Either people will agree with you and the discussion/thread is basically over.

OR.

People disagree with you because they view it as a negative or want something else and the thread devolves into arguing/negativity.

[Dan Endacott]

Aiming for, and pleasing your public is something different than aiming at a as wide as possible audience.

It is, but that isn't really the point I was trying to make. What I was trying to say is that the aim of an artist whatever it may be is irrelevant in the end; whether you aim at a wide audience or at a specific audience isn't an impediment or a help to achieve something artistic (trying to please a specific audience can end up with fan service, for instance). Something designed to be a product can be art, and many works of art were purely motivated by money. Some artists are commissioned to make something specific; some have to design advertisemants; some have to aim at a wide audience; some aim at a niche audience.... and in all these cases, something "artistic", something that strikes a cord can come out of it, even if it is not the primary goal. It really doesn't matter the circumstances, the motivations, the restrictions... it will just pop out of nowhere if it has to.

So the restriction here is that it has to aim for as broad an audience as possible. It is a kind of censorship if you want to see it this way (some subjects are off limits to avoid the AO ratings, some things have to be made simpler to appeal to more people). These are restrictions to be sure, but I still don't see why something artistic couldn't come out of it. Art can come out of much worse situations, and it has in history. In fact, I would even argue that restrictions have often heped art to blossom but I won't go into that. Suffice to say that some of the very best French movies were made during the WWII occupation despite a very strict censorship. I know it may be weird to come up with this example, but what I mean is that compared to that the restrictions put on Bethesda are ridiculously light. They still have a lot of freedom in what they're doing and nothing really stopping them from achieving something artistic (which is not necessarily the same as doing what they want, by the way).

Anyway, I think it's best to just agree to disagree on that one. I don't see their aim at a wider audience as a problem here, but you do. Oh well :shrug:

[Terry]

Nah,I think people where just expecting something more "wow" in E3,like a new epic trailer,and now they didn't get something like that to keep their excitement up the just lost a part of their excitement.
Just wait for the next trailer,and you will see everything will be fine again!

[rheanna bruining]

I actually really like how Skyrim is turning out, given that they are going to do dragons alot better than others, such as dragon age.
I just felt very crestfallen when it was advertised as a 'dragon slaying adventure', because after all the absence and reverence of dragons in previous games it felt like a betrayal. But Skyrim isn't just a 'dragon slaying adventure', there is a lot more to it. Maybe the next trailer would clear it up.

[Solène We]

By golly you're right. The thousands of 12 year olds who will get their moms to buy them Skyrim so they can play it for 20 hours, beat the main quest, then go back to CoD. How could we forget about those true fans?

I want people to stop saying that he is a narcissist. He does not think himself superior to others. He does not think everybody who disagrees with him is an immature child who does not know what they are talking about. He does not think himself a connoisseur among dimwits. He is not a contrarian who takes on unpopular viewpoints so he can feel like a rebellious free-thinker, ahead of the curve, against the current, a maverick, a rebel, a heretic, a hero.

Stop saying these things!

...........

:P

[Pixie]

This game looks like it's going to be f'ing epic... The only downer is I have to wait til November to play it, but good things come to those that wait I guess!

I can't remember the last time I was this excited about a game.

[Kayla Bee]

I can't remember the last time I was this excited about a game.

I agree. TES are the only games that I actually get hyped over at all, or even buy. Other games I just rent for a week, then go back to playing TES.

[Wane Peters]

This thread gets made every. single. day.
To no avail. Face it, people like to complain about things. How many times can you say you like something?


I love those clouds let's make a thread about it -- everyone agrees, great. Thread over, discussion finished.



I don't like fast travel/quest markers and want the devs to properly cater for people who don't want to zap everywhere or follow a green trianle GPS system, by giving directions and such - let's make a thread about it because it's something I want changed (even though it won't change anything, people inevitably feel it will). Oh look, loads of people are arguing with me. I inevitably want to respond to their arguments and hopefully change their mind (HA).


Negative opinions will continue to get repeated because there's no sense in talking about the good stuff all day. People want the bad stuff to change, and they want people to know they don't like it.
It's hard to put into words, but to me it makes, COMPLETE sense that negative threads dominate, and I don't lose sleep over it.

*COUGH*

[Cat Haines]

Just because quiet wisdom is often lost in the shuffle.

I've made this point before, and I'll repeat it - the source of virtually all of the conflict on this board is not the opinions expressed, but the reactions of others to those opinions. If everybody would simply post their own opinions and accept the undeniable fact that others can and will have differing ones, then all the conflict, all the antagonism and all the distractions would simply vanish.

Some people are pleased with some things while others are not. Some people are upset over some things while others are not. Neither opinion is necessarily more valid than the other - they're simply rooted in different criteria. Deal with it.

Thanks.

I disagree!

[OnlyDumazzapplyhere]

You know people like and dislike different things but does that mean we have to line up on different sides and throw rocks at each other because my concerns are not your concerns? Can I complain about an aspect of the game I don't like without folks jumping on me and calling me names or being disrespectful because I don't see things their way? Is there any purpose to put others down because you don't agree with them? Does it make them a lesser person because they think a bit differently about something than I do?

I just celebrated my anniversary and I assure you I can't stand how he leaves the cap off the toothpaste. I want to explode when he starts talking about politics. He thinks coffee should be weak, I like mine strong. He thinks rice is a horrible food and I think it's awesome. So many things we see differently, yet we are able to reside in the same house, same bed for 42 years and still treat one another with respect because we understand we are not one person but two with different tastes, different habits and different opinions.

Now I am not suggesting we all get married but I am suggesting that it really isn't that difficult to disagree and be civil and respectful about it. People complain when there is something they don't want or don't like. That is fine as long as they don't disrespect those who disagree with them or call them names or insinuate they are stupid or dumb and less of an intelligent person. Disagreeing means nothing about your IQ and nothing about being right or wrong or being young or old or new at gaming or an old gamer. It just means we disagree.

Different strokes for different folks, and so on and so on.....