[Lilit Ager]

I heard somebody say this in a recent thread and it got me thinking. A lot of what we've been talking about recently has been very negative. Every few minutes there seems to be another thread criticizing the decisions made in Skyrim.

Morrowind had criticism, and we all loved it, Oblivion had criticism, and we all loved it (if not more than Morrowind, but it was still great). Making Skyrim they have had one of the biggest developing teams ever and it is full of amazing new gameplay features and awesome graphics. Criticize all you want, when it comes out, we will all love it.

So basically I made this thread so we can talk about why we're gonna love Skyrim and reverse this trend that seems to be dragging down this forum.

I'd like to add a post made by vsions in the previous thread.

I am of the opinion that you cant please everybody. You know alot of what you guys say we agree with sometimes but ultimately there are time, technical and financial constraints. Alot of that is overlooked in peoples critisisms but it doesnt bother me personally because I think it helps devs stay creative and on their toes. You guys should always expect the best even though we may not always be able ot give you guys everything you want due to the constraints I mentioned. Knowing that, we still try to give you the most enjoyable experience we can even if there are flaws because truthfully nothing will ever be perfect. Making the game to be enjoyed by millions of distinct personalities is not easy. I find it interesting when I see threads with images from our game that have been color tweaked to what they are convinced looks great or when people bring up a mod that theey are convinced is how a game should be and then people in that very thread dont like it. So even modders or people with these ideas cant please everyone and they deal with a significantly smaller user base. All I can honestly say is that we are always trying to bring you guys a great experience. We want you guys to be happy, and some will and some wont. But feedback as long as its respectful and constructive is always appreciated. I think what works best is when you say what you do like as well as what you dont like and why. There has already been some influential feedback, so it does get heard

Link to the first thread:
http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1202119-forum-morale-is-falling-fast/

[Rob Davidson]

You should link this thread from the first one.

[El Khatiri]

You should link this thread from the first one.

Done, just had to get around to it.

[Ryan Lutz]

Funny how this all started from greaves.

[Enny Labinjo]

I think a lot of people are getting all worked up over nothing. I mean how much gameplay footage have we seen of Skyrim, 17 minutes. I'm not worried at all.

[Arnold Wet]

Funny how this all started from greaves.

Which IMO were never actually said to not be in the game as separate items... anyways...

Speaking of greaves, I love that we still have enchanting, and it's been brought back as a skill.

[Joey Avelar]

What i really cant wait for is just another game that can give me excessive hours of gameplay for months, then i wont be bored with all the [censored] games out now. The last game to do this for me was Fallout 3 (new vegas was alright but didnt have as much [censored] imo) and Oblivion before that (which gave me ALOT more hours of play then fallout 3) and then Morrowind before that (which gave me even MORE hours of gameplay then oblivion).

[Nick Tyler]

TBH I don't have time to really go into why I am going to like Skyrim. I'll just say It looks really good, and am pleased with a lot of the major choices concerning game play especially.

It's just easier for me to point out stuff I don't like, because there is less of it. I'll be in a whiny thread if you need me.

[Shannon Lockwood]

It's to be expected.

Most of the news lately has been about what's *not* in the game. Fewer armor pieces, potentially fewer factions, fewer skills, fewer stats to manage (no durability, etc.). So what do you expect? Of course there's going to be a backlash.

Beth has meanwhile kept quiet on the things that would ease people's minds (such details on the new crafting systems), so lately a lot of the optimism is based on pure faith, whereas the pessimism is more based on things we actually know. This should improve as we find out more, but it's no surprise at all the there have been an influx of negative threads recently.

[Megan Stabler]

Funny how this all started from greaves.

It brought about some deep discussion.
People finally put their issues on the table, and actually had a look at them for the first time.
Vsions was actively posting.

Probably one of the more meaningful topics.

[Eliza Potter]

It is pretty heated around here these days, largely in part to the whole armor question. It's honestly the most divisive topic at the moment and until something is confirmed, the quality of threads will be pretty poor. And that goes for the near-rant thread I posted earlier, too. It's just hard to resist taking a side either bemoaning the fact that there is less armor, or berating people for jumping the gun on what is/isn't confirmed.

That being said, I'm still here every day. :biggrin:

[Emerald Dreams]

From the previous thread:

Seeing things more positively? Yeah... I tried that for Oblivion. There was a sense of loss, betrayal, depression... let me just say it didn't end well.

I see where you're coming from, I was one of the persons who felt disappointed with the release of Oblivion... Morrowind had been such a great game for me, a work of art, and I suppose I had unrealistic expectations from Oblivion. When the game was released it just couldn't match the one I had imagined in my mind. But what I mean is this: a popular game doesn't have to be a game that will be lost in oblivion (hehe) a few years after its release. It can be "artistic", it can stand the test of time. But right now we can't tell, because we haven't played the game. I am of the opinion that until we have the game in our hands, we shouldn't make any assumptions regarding the artistic quality it may or may not have. And we certainly shouldn't condemn it before its release.

What I expect now is a good rpg that will draw me into a rich world full of things to experience. From what I know it sounds like Skyrim will be able to deliver that. Will it be a game that will stay with me for years? I won't know that until a few years after its release, I certainly can't tell that based on a few screenshots, a couple of trailers and a few interviews.

I guess the question is: what do you expect from Skyrim? Try not to have unrealistic expectations and all will be fine.

[CHARLODDE]

Yeah I like plenty of stuff I'm hearing about this game and still apprehensive/let down about a few things. Perks, those damn sweet dynamic (!) fluffy mountain fogs, more effort on cultures and dynamic economy, attention to detail, sick dragon AI, most of the art directions, localized crime system, among the ones that I like.

The absence of discernible attributes, and a way to give your character unique inherent weaknesses and strengths at the character creation (but not birthsigns; glad to see its gone) are among the few things I'm still not quite convinced of.

[ezra]

:shakehead:

Funny how this all started from greaves.

Check the innane thread called "no short/long swords" or something....

[NeverStopThe]

The possible lessening of armor slots is concerning. If true, it is an outrage.

But one of the very few things recently discovered that actually made me very happy was the returning of the proper Dunmer voice

[Teghan Harris]

My only worries are that I wont have my separated greaves and that clothing (dont care so much about hair anymore) wont have their own physics to them... ugh... conforming robes. e.o

[Brandi Norton]

I hope to the Nine you are wrong. At the end of the day this process is all thanks to our capitalistic obsessed society. You shouldn't put a price on artistic merit or scientific achievement

BLAME CAPITALISM!!!11ONEONE1!!one!1 You should really blame corporatism anyway.

It's obvious Bethesda has tried everything they can to make the game more accessible. I know quite a few friends that bought the game but never managed to get past the first few hours in Oblivion, it was even worse in Morrowind. They're spending countless hours making an amazing and detailed open world roleplaying game, ofcourse they want everyone to enjoy it, not just hardcoe rpg fans like you or me.

I enjoy things like hundreds of stats I can tweak, I'd rather look around a city talking to 20 NPCs to solve a quest like in Morrowind then having an arrow on the map direct me somewhere, but the majority of the people that will buy Skyrim don't have the patience for things like that. They know this so they try as hard as they can to solve this while still keeping as much complexity as they can and adding new features to make up for it.

If they really only wanted money they would be making COD, or a different (compared to TES) easy to make game with a rushed sequel every year.

[Nick Pryce]

Most of the news lately has been about what's *not* in the game. Fewer armor pieces, potentially fewer factions, fewer skills, fewer stats to manage (no durability, etc.). So what do you expect? Of course there's going to be a backlash.

Wait, durability is out?

[Karen anwyn Green]

From the previous thread:

I see where you're coming from, I was one of the persons who felt disappointed with the release of Oblivion... Morrowind had been such a great game for me, a work of art, and I suppose I had unrealistic expectations from Oblivion. When the game was released it just couldn't match the one I had imagined in my mind. But what I mean is this: a popular game doesn't have to be a game that will be lost in oblivion (hehe) a few years after its release. It can be "artistic", it can stand the test of time. But right now we can't tell, because we haven't played the game. I am of the opinion that until we have the game in our hands, we shouldn't make any assumptions regarding the artistic quality it may or may not have. And we certainly shouldn't condemn it before its release.

What I expect now is a good rpg that will draw me into a rich world full of things to experience. From what I know it sounds like Skyrim will be able to deliver that. Will it be a game that will stay with me for years? I won't know that until a few years after its release, I certainly can't tell that based on a few screenshots, a couple of trailers and a few interviews.

I guess the question is: what do you expect from Skyrim? Try not to have unrealistic expectations and all will be fine.

So you're saying my expectations shouldn't regard Morrowind, and that I should just forget about it? Was Morrowind just a beautiful accident of nature- an isolated incident? Maybe so, but I hope not

[Multi Multi]

A lot of people seem to be of the opinion that the forum knows best at that we are the only true fans of The Elder Scrolls. This is simply not true and they should really look around maybe even further than the Internet to see how many fans there are with very valid point and opinions who support the changes Bethesda are making. I know some people who hold similar views to those on the forums but generally the negative views on this forum are amplified because it is much easier to show your negative views than it is to show positive views.

I believe that Bethesda are making the right decision in making Skyrim as they have in making all their previous games because I loved them all. Of course there are some things I'm not happy with but as vsions said, they can't please everyone but in truth I can't think of or don't know of another game that has as much as The Elder Scrolls series has to offer. People need to realise that the devs can't confirm everything about the game and that these people should wait until the release to formulate their opinions of the game.

[Sarah Edmunds]

:shakehead:
Check the innane thread called "no short/long swords" or something....

Yes, the lack of greaves scares lots of people. No reason why it should not be shortswords, from the different armor types I guess we will have loads of weapons. Some of the sword we saw in the demo looked shorter than a standard longsword to me.

[Gemma Archer]

Wait, durability is out?

As with the weightless carrot, I very much expect this due to what we saw being a presentation and not the finished game.

It would be counter productive if in the middle of trying to show features the presentation had to halt because the character became overencumbered or his axe broke.
A weightless food item would have infinite value to weight ratio and I am quite sure Bethesda would never do something as unbalancing.

[patricia kris]

Wait, durability is out?

Yet another assumption from a few seconds look at the inventory.

But whetstones to sharpen swords and temporarily improve damage are in.

Guess which gets the most posts.

[Anna Watts]

As with the weightless carrot, I very much expect this due to what we saw being a presentation and not the finished game.

It would be counter productive if in the middle of trying to show features the presentation had to halt because the character became overencumbered or his axe broke.
A weightless food item would have infinite value to weight ratio and I am quite sure Bethesda would never do something as unbalancing.

Good. I was about to say, that's a bit much.

[Sun of Sammy]

A lot of people seem to be of the opinion that the forum knows best at that we are the only true fans of The Elder Scrolls. This is simply not true and they should really look around maybe even further than the Internet to see how many fans there are with very valid point and opinions who support the changes Bethesda are making. I know some people who hold similar views to those on the forums but generally the negative views on this forum are amplified because it is much easier to show your negative views than it is to show positive views.

By golly you're right. The thousands of 12 year olds who will get their moms to buy them Skyrim so they can play it for 20 hours, beat the main quest, then go back to CoD. How could we forget about those true fans?