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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:06 am

I think if you can dish out criticism you should be able to take. I think most people who say oblivion"runs like crap" is trolling based on my experience with the game. I think people who think Skyrim is underwhelming from an entertainment perspective have all the right in the world to [censored] an moan. I think people who [censored] and moan about glitches, poor performance, bugs, balancing, immersion, style, etc, etc are doing it for no other reason to troll as it's quite evident based on history the game can be further developed into just about any way possible and this is not even a consideration to them when they make these post (PC gamer that is and if you bought it on console, its you own damn fault). Anyone expecting a developer to create a game specifically to the taste of you or I is rather naive. Further, anyone [censored]ing performance being dumbed down do not understand the business side of things. Most people do not have the knowledge or finances to buy a machine with the above average gaming hardware for PC to exploit a game such as Elder Scrolls. Its called catering to the largest audience, with out doing this, its a sure fire way to limit your viability in the market place, thereby limiting the quality and resources you can commit to he next game. So yeah, have gamesas make a critically great game that sells less than 100,000 copies because no one has the hardware to play it, then see how long gamesas stays in business. Ignorance and naivety or both are sure fire signs of a troll. We will not discuss the DRM issues facing PC games today that further erode into the profit margins for the platform.

It seems people who want a ES game that optimizes the latest PC hardware do understand how limited that market is.


Walking into someones thread and posting "TROLL" and "NO" isn't criticism which is what I was referring to. If someone wants to critique someone elses opinion, go ahead. Don't bash them for it and start calling them a troll because you don't agree. I don't think anyone has been realistically asking for the game to be catered to themselves. I personally have problems when mechanics are thrown in with the sole purpose to override others. Believe it or not, balance matters in an SP game as much as MP games. There's no sense of accomplishment if it wasn't challenging enough, it's also no fun if it's too hard because an entire section of combat is undertuned and doesn't scale like the rest.

PC hardware has only been getting cheaper and faster, less than $1000 USD will get you a system that will run anything. The market isn't limited enough if other developers smaller than BGS is throwing in DX11 and then some. They don't even need to limit the amount of the fan base that can play to do it either, it's all about having that option when you have the hardware that can support it.

I can also tell you right now that most people on here would dismiss your post over the lack of paragraphs. Yeah, very friendly.

It probably needs to be streamlined for you so you are able to find it easier-but you can use the carriage system instead of walking.

I like hearing peoples thoughts on how to make a system better. However imo, non-founded complaints are neither helpful nor thought provoking.

There are people who have legitimate gripes (glitches and such making the game unplayable) and those who believe they have an idea which would make the game more immersible and/or fun to play, which may or may not be agreed upon. But, If you hate everything about it, you probably are not going to give good advice and should probably play a game which is more to your liking. If you are cult like in your dislike or love of the game you are probably not going to be able to be rational enough to give thought provoking ideas to other forum members, much less the game makers.


Oblivion is what I was referring to. Skyrim is an improvement and still extremely limited if it's supposed to be a functional alternative. Especially seeing how horses were turned into stamina-less running.

I would love to write up what I have in mind to improve systems but I know they are going to fall on deaf ears, the bigger a company gets the less it listens to its fan base. I've been working around big companies as a modder for upwards of 12 years. That's even with contact to the devs. It's far more worth my time to just make my own mods to do it. See it in action rather than on paper.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:23 am

Some complaints are valid, and some replies are, too, while others miss the mark.

For example, with respect to consoles tending toward FPSes (at least Xbox 360 and PS3, that is), the numbers say it all. Companies have even publically stated such things. Of course, as the market evolves, companies have also had to take back some of their statements or qualify them (e.g., Todd's statements about market share for consoles vs PC after Oblivion versus market share split now). Console complaining from PC users is very valid when you see something like the UI being completely unworkable for PC mouse and keyboard despite the status of gamesas and the fact that the basic engine has been used for multiple games for over 10 years. There's simply no excuse for not being able to bind keys to individual preference, for example. This type of problem where key binding errors are missed/ignored due to reliance on controllers has happened in other games, too, so Beth isn't the first by any means. It's still wrong, though.

Likewise, anyone who thinks that a game optimized for PC would cause a business to fail ignores the fact of companies such as Firaxis who are quite successful (and Civilization, aside from Revolution, isn't even offered on consoles at all, mind you). High end PCs are cheap now because the same hardware is used in productivity software such as video editing, and even office packages like Office or Adobe products require higher end systems to really function well (and save time for users, thus boosting potential productivity). I have observed that we are now in the era of disposable laptops, just as we have disposable/recyclable electronics of various other kinds. And that's SRP, of course... people can build their own systems for even less. However, the point is that there are far more PCs than console systems, and most PCs from the past couple of years can play games at least at medium settings, and many can do better than that. Some financial anolysts have even questioned whether or not there will be another gen of consoles because of the enormous cost for such a multipurpose machine. Why make a new unit when the PC already does the same work and more? It's not cost efficient. What is more likely is that the PC will become more flexible and compatible with stuff like video streaming and hookups to HDTV (and future tech, of course).

As for the OP, don't worry too much. As has been noted, Oblivion had far more bile thrown at it because of changes from Morrowind when it came out. FO3 had a lot of complaints, too, since it was the relaunch of a cult classic franchise.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:10 am

To be fair, it's always this way after a release...or after a patch or DLC.

However, that said, we should remember that the game had a fair amount of hype to it, and to a certain extent it was warranted...the down side is though that you will always find people who want a return to the game they played x amount of years ago, and there will always be things that were good about those games that don't make it into the newer versions.

That is especially so when you design a game for the console market and try to carry it over to the PC market...but the little bugs and glitches that make such a port unplayable for some can be forgiven because we've already paid our money, right?

Give it another couple of weeks, and perhaps a patch that does repair aspects of the PC game, and the forums will become more positive.

Or someone else will release a game that attracts the short-stay folk.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:49 am

I have spent the last two days on the Forums instead of actually playing Skyrim. The reason is because I'm so indecisive I can't decide what character I want to make next. I have so many ideas, but I only want to play one at a time.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:00 am

I've been part of the forums since Morrowind.

I saw pretty much the same stuff for Oblivion in the first few months of it's existence.

This is pretty much what every forum becomes when a new game is launched, really.

I blame the [censored] generation.

Edit: HA! I can't believe they censor that. It's a website. Notable for it's /b/ section and birthplace of a group of moronic e-thugs who call themselves Anonymous.


Guess that's my generation, though its a bit unfair to judge an entire generation on the idiocy of a few... I do remember viewing these forums after Oblivion's release and getting the exact same feelings that the OP has here.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:03 pm

I have spent the last two days on the Forums instead of actually playing Skyrim. The reason is because I'm so indecisive I can't decide what character I want to make next. I have so many ideas, but I only want to play one at a time.


Bald Imperial with an affinity for illusion, archery, and speechcraft. Master Difficulty. Go!
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 7:02 am

HAHA, i bet u never was reading World of Warcraft forums - real hell of compains,insultings,trolling,whining,lying etc

Bethesda forums are great.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:12 am

I only reply in the things worth replying too. I dont mind discussions on issues/opinions in Skyrim, but as soon as it turns into a rant i just leave it alone. I like Skyrim. End of story.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 2:02 am


Likewise, anyone who thinks that a game optimized for PC would cause a business to fail ignores the fact of companies such as Firaxis who are quite successful (and Civilization, aside from Revolution, isn't even offered on consoles at all, mind you).


Obviously it depends on the business model of the company and the development cost. "Quite successful" is a stretch when speaking specifically about Civilization.

Civ IV has sold 3 million copies (I'd post Civ V numbers but my network is slow). Skyrim has sold 2 million in the first week on the XBOX alone. 1 million on PS3. PC you ask? 500,000.

BTW: *** Civ II was ported to console.


High end PCs are cheap now because the same hardware is used in productivity software such as video editing, and even office packages like Office or Adobe products require higher end systems to really function well (and save time for users, thus boosting potential productivity).


No argument their except to say they are still double the cost of a console.

I have observed that we are now in the era of disposable laptops, just as we have disposable/recyclable electronics of various other kinds.


That do not meet the level of performance most PC gaming enthusiast want of which makes them a small share of the market of which makes them the majority of the posters moaning about the hardware standard used in developing the game and how poorly it optimizes their computers. They are such a small market, a developer is not going to go out it its way to placate them with special design features that optimize their systems.

However, the point is that there are far more PCs than console systems, and most PCs from the past couple of years can play games at least at medium settings, and many can do better than that.


Not with out some form of modifications to the system or game. Maybe if you are speaking of desktops, but majority of the market now is laptops. Not too many of those have the required GPU to play these games. Just for an example, go look at the computers offered by Wal-Mart. See how many desktops they offer compared to laptops.....then take it a step further check the GPU on those laptops. Most if not all have the Intel integrated graphics processor which will not allow you to play Skyrim with any sort of enjoyable experience. Further, most people do not buy a computer for gaming this is obvious by the sales mentioned above. Computer are not as accessible as consoles for gaming.

Some financial anolysts have even questioned whether or not there will be another gen of consoles because of the enormous cost for such a multipurpose machine. Why make a new unit when the PC already does the same work and more?


I'd question their bonafides. Demand for computer based gaming is not there and I doubt this changes anytime soon. DRM is a huge issue to PC gaming. Accessibility is a huge issue to PC gaming.


What is more likely is that the PC will become more flexible and compatible with stuff like video streaming and hookups to HDTV (and future tech, of course).


Consoles are already doing this at a cheaper cost. The only thing a computer does better than a console is productivity stuff and most of that is being taken over by phones. Of course you have the buyers with special needs (gamers, video editing, photo editing, etc, etc) but as shown with PC game sales those are limited markets.

This may eventually happen, not anytime soon though. As far as home entertainment goes, a computer can not hold a candle to a console for a bevy of reasons.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:14 pm

If you think this is bad you should have seen the forums when Morrowind and Oblivion were released.


Can't remember. I was always active in the mod and cs subforum. Those were/are decent.
I think, for a moderated forum I see a lot of trollign and flaming/flamebaiting, though. Should be more stricter in the beginning.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:23 pm

Not to double post, but this list is an example of why the market caters to consoles.

Top 50 Games all -time:

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(Number represent America, Japan, EU, world-wide)
1

Wii Sports (Wii)
Nintendo, Sports
41.69
3.77
32.26
77.71
2

Super Mario Bros. (NES)
Nintendo, Platform
29.52
6.81
3.91
40.24
3

Pokémon Red / Green / Blue Version (GB)
Nintendo, RPG
11.44
10.23
9.70
31.37
4

Tetris (GB)
Nintendo, Puzzle
23.55
4.24
2.47
30.26
5

Mario Kart Wii (Wii)
Nintendo, Racer
12.98
3.27
12.87
29.13
6

Wii Sports Resort (Wii)
Nintendo, Sports
14.34
2.65
11.78
28.77
7

Duck Hunt (NES)
Nintendo, Shooter
27.34
0.28
0.69
28.31
8

Wii Play (Wii)
Nintendo, Other
14.72
2.93
10.61
28.26
9

New Super Mario Bros. (DS)
Nintendo, Platform
10.15
6.38
9.56
26.09
10

Nintendogs (DS)
Nintendo, Sim
9.73
1.93
12.48
24.13
11

Pokémon Gold / Silver Version (GB)
Nintendo, RPG
9.14
7.21
6.75
23.10
12

Wii Fit (Wii)
Nintendo, Sports
9.61
3.60
9.52
22.73
13

Mario Kart DS (DS)
Nintendo, Racer
10.07
4.00
8.31
22.38
14

New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Wii)
Nintendo, Platform
11.52
4.41
6.38
22.30
15

Super Mario World (SNES)
Nintendo, Platform
12.97
3.55
4.09
20.61
16

Wii Fit Plus (Wii)
Nintendo, Sports
9.25
2.43
8.63
20.31
17

Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day (DS)
Nintendo, Other
5.08
4.16
10.60
19.84
18

Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2)
Rockstar Games, Action
9.35
0.41
9.39
19.16
19

Super Mario Land (GB)
Nintendo, Platform
10.99
4.19
2.96
18.14
20

Pokémon Diamond / Pearl Version (DS)
Nintendo, RPG
6.79
6.04
5.02
17.85
21

Super Mario Bros. 3 (NES)
Nintendo, Platform
9.69
3.84
3.75
17.28
22

The Sims (PC)
Maxis, Sim
11.39
0.00
4.69
16.08
23

Pokémon Ruby / Sapphire Version (GBA)
Nintendo, RPG
5.74
5.38
4.26
15.38
24

Brain Age 2: More Training in Minutes a Day (DS)
Nintendo, Other
3.66
5.32
6.21
15.19
25

Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (PS2)
Sony Computer Entertainment, Racer
7.14
1.89
5.86
14.89
26

Pokémon Yellow: Special Pikachu Edition (GB)
Nintendo, RPG
5.98
3.16
5.50
14.64
27

Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (PS2)
Rockstar Games, Action
8.20
0.47
5.53
14.20
28

Call of Duty: Black Ops (X360)
Activision, FPS
9.32
0.07
3.80
13.19
29

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (X360)
Activision, FPS
8.72
0.08
3.90
12.70
30

Pokémon Black / White Version (DS)
Nintendo, RPG
4.25
5.45
2.74
12.44
31

World of Warcraft (PC)
Blizzard Entertainment, RPG
4.02
0.00
7.97
11.99
32

Super Mario 64 (N64)
Nintendo, Platform
6.87
1.92
3.10
11.89
33

Grand Theft Auto III (PS2)
Rockstar Games, Action
6.55
0.36
4.69
11.60
34

Animal Crossing: Wild World (DS)
Nintendo, Sim
2.60
5.32
3.63
11.56
35

Halo 3 (X360)
Microsoft, FPS
8.09
0.14
3.16
11.39
36

StarCraft (PC)
Blizzard Entertainment, Strategy
3.77
0.00
7.55
11.32
37

Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins (GB)
Nintendo, Platform
6.25
2.70
2.23
11.18
38

Kinect Adventures! (X360)
Microsoft, Other
7.59
0.18
3.21
10.97
39

Gran Turismo (PS)
Sony Computer Entertainment, Racer
3.99
2.55
4.31
10.85
40

Call of Duty: Black Ops (PS3)
Activision, FPS
5.84
0.36
4.59
10.79
41

Gran Turismo 4 (PS2)
Sony Computer Entertainment, Racer
2.86
1.26
6.51
10.62
42

Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Wii)
Nintendo, Fighter
5.79
2.30
2.50
10.59
43

Pokémon Heart Gold / Soul Silver Version (DS)
Nintendo, RPG
3.83
3.96
2.77
10.56
44

Super Mario All-Stars (SNES)
Nintendo, Platform
6.08
2.12
2.35
10.55
45

Pokémon FireRed / LeafGreen Version (GBA)
Nintendo, RPG
4.45
3.15
2.89
10.49
46

Mario Kart 64 (N64)
Nintendo, Racer
5.52
2.24
2.11
9.87
47

Final Fantasy VII (PS)
Sony Computer Entertainment, RPG
3.09
3.93
2.70
9.72
48

Super Mario Galaxy (Wii)
Nintendo, Platform
5.07
1.20
3.40
9.67
49

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (PS3)
Activision, FPS
5.03
0.36
4.00
9.39
50

Gran Turismo 2 (PS)
Sony Computer Entertainment, Racer
3.96
1.71
3.70
9.37

http://www.vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php




3 PC games on the top 50 with the highest coming in at 22 with "The Sims". This despite PC's having clear advantage with total number of platforms in service. This is why consoles drive the PC market.

As a side note, it is unreal how Nintendo dominated.

Edit: 6 total spots on the top hundred with 4 of the 6 going to WOW.

Asking for a game developer to cater to a limited market is unrealistic.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 5:56 am

It seems to the general trend of most gaming forums. Would be good to have good discussion's and debates on items or issues. But it usually turns into rubbish, and critism that lacks the constructive.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:44 pm

Us gamers are like spoiled kids. We won't focus on the good stuff of a game, because we think the game should have no mistakes and be perfect. So we focus on the bad stuff. Simples. It drives me nuts too ;)
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:19 pm

The PC fan boys and girls spoil the enjoyment of the forums for me,
maybe there good people in real life but on the forums there so ignorant and opinionated. :sadvaultboy:
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:15 pm

These forums are the home to some of the whiniest, most pathetic losers on this planet, they make no sense and there's no way reasoning with them, I have accepted this fact and I just ignore a lot of posts/threads.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:08 am

Sadly these forums have become so negative it is no longer fun. There are no discussions on the fun aspects, sharing of adventures, etc. I think I know why- people that are enjoying it are having fun and PLAYING THE GAME.

The other crowd makes 1000 posts a day about "10 Reasons Oblivion Was Better", "Seriously Bethesda (Rant)", "Alchemy+Enchanting+Smithing makes game too easy", "Dragons are too easy", "This game is too hard", "Worst Game Ever".


I'm going nuts here!


Dude, you don't find this fun?

Those 1000 posts a day are what keep me laughing! Learn to laugh at them, not with them :whistling:

edit: And you didn't even touch on the PC elitists!
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 12:06 am

If it does well, you can bet that the haters come out of the woodworks. Mass Effect 2 was declared to be the GOTY by pretty much everyone, but according to the BSN it's "dumbed down" (an ironic term which I despise). Now with Skyrim selling like 4 million copies in its first week, the pseudo-intellectuals will swarm and tell us how the game is dumbed down, how all the older games were better, etc.

Whatever. Skyrim has consumed over 60 hours of my life since release (just like Morrowind and Oblivion did before it) and I'm still loving every second I spend on it. If some nerd wants to call me dumb for loving it then that's fine. I don't care. Water under the Dragon Bridge.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:43 am

Bethesda forum already shows improvement in term of maturity comment. Even the critics are getting more friendly, mostly anyway.

Somehow BSN is improving too. Perhaps it's the overall gamer demographic that gets older...

The responsibility falls to the older gamers to provide better moral examples to the younger gamers... Even when dealing with critics and ideas/suggestion threads.

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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:14 pm

You should've been around when we were talking about Oblivion. Vitriol! Rage! Fury! Anger! How dare you take away my crossbows and throwing stars!!!!

You would have thought Todd Howard had six with everybody' s mom at the same time or something. Forums are like this. I'm sure the Mass Effect boards would have been full of bitter complaints about "dumbing the game down" if EA wasn't so hamfisted.
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 6:23 am

Wow, you people love to be so dramatic. Reaction and criticism towards Skyrim is very tame compared to to other games, and mostly justified (bugs, bad UI). And most critics admits that they love or like the game, but they got some issues with it.
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:39 pm

They most likely censored that so people can't direct link to there. And if they did that it probably means they've probably had some trouble at some point in the past with people posting links to there. Or did it beforehand to prevent such issues.


Or it's a web war. Anonymous did at one point really mess with the gamesas wikipedia entry -- apparently implying that they were making things for whale-loving furries as well as Elder Scrolls 5: Fallout. That last bit was sorta funny, but I can see why they might not want people reading the /vg/ boards. That, and /b/ has never been much more than porm.
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maya papps
 
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:51 pm

Is this thing called the Internet really that new? Learn to laugh at and enjoy these forums.
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Jordan Moreno
 
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Post » Fri Dec 09, 2011 1:49 am

The forums right now? Its just a fleshwound, it will heal over time. But I can honestly say i have issues with Skyrim, for instance: Why make a bard college when you cant even play the instruments or stand in the streets reading poems to the people? Thats a valid issue IMO, but thats just a small part of the game, even tho i have more issues, i rather play the game and state what i feel about a game on these forums. Things i like will probably come when i feel i have the knowledge to do so, when i have experienced most of the game myself.
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Becky Cox
 
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Post » Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:40 pm

These forums were never fun.

That made me laugh so hard. OP, it is just the fact that new people have come here to complain about things that bother them. Skyrim forums will get better when new games come out and young children move on to new pastures.
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Not to double post, but this list is an example of why the market caters to consoles.

Top 50 Games all -time:

Spoiler


(Number represent America, Japan, EU, world-wide)
1

Wii Sports (Wii)
Nintendo, Sports
41.69
3.77
32.26
77.71
2

Super Mario Bros. (NES)
Nintendo, Platform
29.52
6.81
3.91
40.24
3

Pokémon Red / Green / Blue Version (GB)
Nintendo, RPG
11.44
10.23
9.70
31.37
4

Tetris (GB)
Nintendo, Puzzle
23.55
4.24
2.47
30.26
5

Mario Kart Wii (Wii)
Nintendo, Racer
12.98
3.27
12.87
29.13
6

Wii Sports Resort (Wii)
Nintendo, Sports
14.34
2.65
11.78
28.77
7

Duck Hunt (NES)
Nintendo, Shooter
27.34
0.28
0.69
28.31
8

Wii Play (Wii)
Nintendo, Other
14.72
2.93
10.61
28.26
9

New Super Mario Bros. (DS)
Nintendo, Platform
10.15
6.38
9.56
26.09
10

Nintendogs (DS)
Nintendo, Sim
9.73
1.93
12.48
24.13
11

Pokémon Gold / Silver Version (GB)
Nintendo, RPG
9.14
7.21
6.75
23.10
12

Wii Fit (Wii)
Nintendo, Sports
9.61
3.60
9.52
22.73
13

Mario Kart DS (DS)
Nintendo, Racer
10.07
4.00
8.31
22.38
14

New Super Mario Bros. Wii (Wii)
Nintendo, Platform
11.52
4.41
6.38
22.30
15

Super Mario World (SNES)
Nintendo, Platform
12.97
3.55
4.09
20.61
16

Wii Fit Plus (Wii)
Nintendo, Sports
9.25
2.43
8.63
20.31
17

Brain Age: Train Your Brain in Minutes a Day (DS)
Nintendo, Other
5.08
4.16
10.60
19.84
18

Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas (PS2)
Rockstar Games, Action
9.35
0.41
9.39
19.16
19

Super Mario Land (GB)
Nintendo, Platform
10.99
4.19
2.96
18.14
20

Pokémon Diamond / Pearl Version (DS)
Nintendo, RPG
6.79
6.04
5.02
17.85
21

Super Mario Bros. 3 (NES)
Nintendo, Platform
9.69
3.84
3.75
17.28
22

The Sims (PC)
Maxis, Sim
11.39
0.00
4.69
16.08
23

Pokémon Ruby / Sapphire Version (GBA)
Nintendo, RPG
5.74
5.38
4.26
15.38
24

Brain Age 2: More Training in Minutes a Day (DS)
Nintendo, Other
3.66
5.32
6.21
15.19
25

Gran Turismo 3: A-Spec (PS2)
Sony Computer Entertainment, Racer
7.14
1.89
5.86
14.89
26

Pokémon Yellow: Special Pikachu Edition (GB)
Nintendo, RPG
5.98
3.16
5.50
14.64
27

Grand Theft Auto: Vice City (PS2)
Rockstar Games, Action
8.20
0.47
5.53
14.20
28

Call of Duty: Black Ops (X360)
Activision, FPS
9.32
0.07
3.80
13.19
29

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (X360)
Activision, FPS
8.72
0.08
3.90
12.70
30

Pokémon Black / White Version (DS)
Nintendo, RPG
4.25
5.45
2.74
12.44
31

World of Warcraft (PC)
Blizzard Entertainment, RPG
4.02
0.00
7.97
11.99
32

Super Mario 64 (N64)
Nintendo, Platform
6.87
1.92
3.10
11.89
33

Grand Theft Auto III (PS2)
Rockstar Games, Action
6.55
0.36
4.69
11.60
34

Animal Crossing: Wild World (DS)
Nintendo, Sim
2.60
5.32
3.63
11.56
35

Halo 3 (X360)
Microsoft, FPS
8.09
0.14
3.16
11.39
36

StarCraft (PC)
Blizzard Entertainment, Strategy
3.77
0.00
7.55
11.32
37

Super Mario Land 2: 6 Golden Coins (GB)
Nintendo, Platform
6.25
2.70
2.23
11.18
38

Kinect Adventures! (X360)
Microsoft, Other
7.59
0.18
3.21
10.97
39

Gran Turismo (PS)
Sony Computer Entertainment, Racer
3.99
2.55
4.31
10.85
40

Call of Duty: Black Ops (PS3)
Activision, FPS
5.84
0.36
4.59
10.79
41

Gran Turismo 4 (PS2)
Sony Computer Entertainment, Racer
2.86
1.26
6.51
10.62
42

Super Smash Bros. Brawl (Wii)
Nintendo, Fighter
5.79
2.30
2.50
10.59
43

Pokémon Heart Gold / Soul Silver Version (DS)
Nintendo, RPG
3.83
3.96
2.77
10.56
44

Super Mario All-Stars (SNES)
Nintendo, Platform
6.08
2.12
2.35
10.55
45

Pokémon FireRed / LeafGreen Version (GBA)
Nintendo, RPG
4.45
3.15
2.89
10.49
46

Mario Kart 64 (N64)
Nintendo, Racer
5.52
2.24
2.11
9.87
47

Final Fantasy VII (PS)
Sony Computer Entertainment, RPG
3.09
3.93
2.70
9.72
48

Super Mario Galaxy (Wii)
Nintendo, Platform
5.07
1.20
3.40
9.67
49

Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 (PS3)
Activision, FPS
5.03
0.36
4.00
9.39
50

Gran Turismo 2 (PS)
Sony Computer Entertainment, Racer
3.96
1.71
3.70
9.37

http://www.vgchartz.com/worldtotals.php




3 PC games on the top 50 with the highest coming in at 22 with "The Sims". This despite PC's having clear advantage with total number of platforms in service. This is why consoles drive the PC market.

As a side note, it is unreal how Nintendo dominated.

Edit: 6 total spots on the top hundred with 4 of the 6 going to WOW.

Asking for a game developer to cater to a limited market is unrealistic.

I don't think that I've ever thought about exactly how much games get sold, in particular console vs pc games. Or how much Nintendo sold back in the day especially with the portable titles. (Even though they do still have a good mix of newer games in there too.)
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