Please look at a map and follow the run of the Niben River. Then read up on Venice in Middle Ages and Renaissance. Perhaps also some economy 101.



Then explain to me how anybody would get rich of inland river trade.



You are aware that fast travel is only a game play mechanic to make the game more palpable?



You're somewhat ignoring the historical context there. The Nords came from Altmora by the boatloads in the first age, hence they were a fairly good navy. That would also be a bit over 4500 years ago. In this case a good part of the population was seafaring, right now however this doesn't seem to be the case.


Secondly, Ennbjof might be an old reaver but that doesn't connect him to the ship directly because the ship is also from the first Era.






While we're at it, the same can be said for the Yokuda navy. Like the Nords both mobilized a good chunk of their population and went too sea. Right now however this isn't the case.

Nords have a higher IQ and are more adept to magic than all other human races other than
Breton.And since we would technically fall under Imperials if we were in Tamriel, hes smarter than you.


Ok so the Nords and Redguard arent as good as sailing anymore. We get it.

Race has nothing to do with my statement...

Since we appear to be going ga-ga for real world cliche evidence, the Norse had no navy and were useless at naval combat. The English put some archers on leaky tubs and defeated their longboats.

Dang, I got a lot of responses to make


Yet the Imperial Legion was said to have an excellent navy. And I never said that the Imperials weren't good at sailing.


What connected him to the ship was that he had the key to the Nordic tomb.


I'm pretty sure that was a reference to the Talking Mudcrab Merchant.


But we're not talking now. We're talking about the 5th Age. And considering that they're at war with the Redoran, they've probably mobilized already.


I'm pretty sure a Nord would know more about Nords than you would.

No, because a Nord is limited to biases, circumstances and not having the whole picture to look at whereas we as outsiders looking in are not burdened by such walls. The character says Nords like ships and sailing, but the character only knows what he's been exposed to in the game world, whereas we can see much much more and have a wider perspective of both Nords and other cultures as well; therefore, we know more about Nords than he does. Besides, it's a dang stretch and stereotype to say that a race as a whole 'likes' or 'dislikes' something even if it is your race...

And still, Altmer are better sailors than Nords...

I predict that Tamriel will become a Republic and Chancellor Ocato will be the leader. THere are hints of this in Oblivion, how Ocato is said to be power-hungry. He is now the de-facto ruler of Tamriel. With no heir, there can be no hereditary Empire, unless Ocato starts his own. I'm not sure if this is a coincidence, but Septim means seven, and Ocato looks like Octo which means eight.

He wasn't even stating an opinion. He was stating a fact about Nordic culture. And being a Nord, he'd know it better than us.

Nords do not have the most Intelligence or magic ability. I don't know where you get that idea. That's the Altmer.

He was saying that there are Nords in Anvil because they like sailing, hardly a scholarly verification of anything and may very well just be the opinion of him and his friends there in Anvil; the Nords in Anvil like sailing, that's why they're there, but who's he to speak for those not in Anvil... And no, he wouldn't...

It's a lot better than vague speculations on a forum.

Are you kidding me, vague speculations are what make this forum go round...

Republic? :yuck:

I so wish for some warlord to cross the Rubicon and give us a larger story with various endings, like Daggerfall perhaps.

More emulation of the classics would make for great games, imo.

As much as I love the choice and freedom that having multiple endings gives us, I don't see it happening in any other TES game, or at least not one in the near-future.

Having multiple endings would pigeon-hole the Devs into having to decide which one is the "Canon" ending and which one is not for the NEXT game after that to have a continuous timeline to it. And to have them say "these other endings never actually happened in the TES universe" would not only piss alot of players off, but it'd be doing the Lore a dishonor.

Granted, having multiple endings worked in Daggerfall, but you can only use the "Dragon Break" excuse so many times before it becomes tiring. If they were to use it again to make every outcome of the next game Canon, then it'd cheapen the whole concept of a Dragon Break, I feel. It'd reduce it to a "we needed an excuse to justify multiple endings" phenomenom instead of the extremely weird and obscure "Time broke and everything gets [censored] up" phenomenon we currently know it as.

Doesn't matter if all the endings aren't canon, its still nicer to have choices than not, even if they don't carry on into the next game. Or, using the warlord scenario you could set the next game 50 years later and say that the warlord was defeated, be a little bit fuzzy about the details and allow people to take their pick as to whether or no the warlord succeeded in the original invasion.

That's against what the TES series has done with every other game, though. Every ending has been Canon, and every ending has been mentioned in other games (mostly in books). The PC's are NOT mentioned by name and are left obscure for a reason; you can't do that for a huge event like the Main Quest, though. The MQ in these games are MEANT to be world-changing events; people will be talking about them for many years to come, maybe even centuries to come. The events of Daggerfall, the rise of the Nerevarine and defeat of Dagoth Ur, the invasion of the Daedra and they're subsequent defeat....these are huge events that shaped the land and politics of the entire continent. It's a given that they're going to be discussed for many, many years among Tamriel's inhabitants, and so setting the game 50 or even 100 years after the last one and making the events "hazy" doesn't really do the MQ of the last game justice.

I hope i'm making sense here. It's entirely possible i've failed to relay my point the way I wanted too.

Just to point something out regarding the linked text about the theorized future of Tamriel: It's not about the fourth era, but about the fifth. Didn't took the http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/5th_era_loveletter.shtml into account, though. And speaking about the fifth era when we don't know anything about what will happen in the fourth (except maybe the landfall thingy, if the loveletter is still true) is a bit extremele speculative imho :blink:.

My point was, by setting the next one 50 years into the future all the different endings could have the same eventual outcome. I think i understand what you are saying so you could write it so that one outcome leaves room for the first ending to come true at some point in the near future. Admittedly the more outcomes you have the harder this becomes.

Seconded, really, the likelihood of a representative form of government coming about (though it may be 'romantic' somehow since everybody loves democracy and such so much) is just not likely at all. Republics don't just spring up especially when there is no basis for one and in Cyrodiil there is not (the Elder Council is certainly not, much more likable to advisory oligarchical-type body)...

Ocato is also unlikely to be crowned Emperor, Cyrodiil has been without Emperor before, and yes the Elder Council steps in to rule in that period but the Chancellor is not an Emperor; its just a matter of time until they find someway of declaring a new one. But really, maybe its just my days in the RP forum coming out that causes me to hate the idea of the Empire becoming a republic... its just, sad...

I disagree, Ocato is setting himself up to rule for the long haul. Where is your evidence that there had been no heirs before? Who are they going to make Emperor, Luagar? There is no heir. Ocato IS the de-facto ruler. There's only the Elder Council there. The hereditary Empire of the Septims is dead.

High Chancellor Ocato is a male Altmer Battlemage and a leading member of the Elder Council. He is currently the de-facto ruler of Cyrodiil in the absence of an Emperor.

While several of the Counts applaud his efforts in holding the Empire together, others feel he is merely using the crisis as a means of securing more power for himself. (Source: UESP )

Ocato is a trusted figure in the Empire, both as a man and a leader. He was trusted even by the late Uriel Septim VII, though there are certainly those who question his motives and intentions. (Source: OblivioWiki)

Meh, do what they used to do in real life - get a foreign royal to rule for them... worked for Britain. There isn't enough resentment at the imperial line for it to be replaced, The last emperor sacrificed his life for his country. The people of Cyrodil would probably support a new emperor over a change in government.

We know little about what it going to happen.

As for Ocato seizing power. It's so obvious that it could happen I'm simply going to say BATW to that possible future.

Were you alive in the '60s to late '80s? The soviet navy was big, powerful, and very scary. In the mid eighties, they began to field the Typhoon class submarines, the biggest subs to date, which because of the double hull design they used were incredibley evasive against ASW flights and radar, and could park 20 nukes, half of which were MIRV missiles that can strike from halfway around the world, right in front of the Hudson or English channel with out anyone being the wiser until it was all over.

Most of their ports were in the icier parts of the water - it helped mask the sub-pens, and the heating that could potentially show over satellites running thermal imaging devices could be explained as heating apparatuses.

Frozen climates really aren't a problem for sea docks simply because they are just that - sea docks. You just have to build them out far enough that the mass of the water defeats the thermal effect. Drawing this back to TES, the nords of the Dagon Fel area all will proudly tell you that "We nords are natural sailors," but they could just be arrogant tarts.

Anyway, obtrusivehistoryrant. *crawls back into a cave somewhere*

Perhaps you're right, but I think the fact that Ocato is an Altmer is not a coincidence. As we all know: "They say syndicates of wizards have led a boycott of Imperial goods in the land of the Altmer." So you could see how Ocato would be easier to please them.