The Future of the Capital Wasteland Brotherhood of Steel

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 5:19 am

M72 has a 20 round clip and fires semi automatically.....
uses superior ammo http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/2mm_EC_%28Fallout_2%29


Aren't a lot of the Tactics things, including weapons, non-canon though?
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Jessica Nash
 
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 1:30 am

Alright lets think about this a moment, is it not possible that a few people over the years traveled from the DC to the West coast and said.
"Hey there's super mutants on the west coast to!" Or even just stories of super mutants, the tales reach the ears of the Elders and they decided to investigate. Or at least added to the list, and the quickest way to expand is to get a foot hold on both coasts and move inward.

Sometime after 2242, the war between the BoS and the NCR began, but we don't know when the details of the war beginning are in Van Buren which was never finished, so its not an absolute date. Maybe it was 2255, or 2260. Maybe a few Elders feared they'd lose the war and sent a chapter east to ensure something of the BoS survived.

Lyons is not the only group sent East. He just decided to stay in DC. There are other BoS out there on the East Coast. Chances are they are nothing like Lyons. There is also the matter of the Outcasts, will they join Lyons or go find the others?

They said they'd head back west, and canon wise they are the only group that went east. And there aren't other BoS on the east coast. Unless you can cite a source from canon material that says otherwise. And I don't see the outcasts swallowing there pride and going back to Elder Lyon's though tit be really funny. "You were right, we were wrong, your smart, were stupid, you have all the Enclave tech and we look like fools" But once again, I think the outcasts would match away to there deaths before eating that crow. Then again if you consider Lyon's success in the end, they could be executed for treason if they went back west and communications were later reestablished.

Aren't a lot of the Tactics things, including weapons, non-canon though?

Yes they are, even the creator of tactics admitted and apologized for it. A few major events are considered canon but the vast majority is not. Considering its established the Enclave are in Chicago maybe the MWBoS was wiped out by them.

How did they get L.P working again? That was a big plot hole for me.

They had problems with the power source, it was almost operational it just needed more juice. Dr. Li helped them solve the problem

Well thinking logically. Your numbers going down. War with a large power (NCR) is looming. DC is 2000 plus miles away. DC being the Capital would be hit very badly any tech there might not still be there. Which it should not be. West-Tek is now the Glow and yet The Pentagon and most of DC is some what intact? :confused: (yet so many people say DC was hit worce because it was the capital) So sending people out there makes little sense. If it was worth sending people and they knew of super mutants why just send a small group?

Your comparing a base the size of a few city blocks to an entire city? :confused: made out of steel and granite. The actual area of a nuclear blast that destroys sturdy structures is smaller then you think.

Why did they not stop at any other locations? I find it had to believe nothing else of value is between Lost hills bunker and DC.

They did stop at other locations its mentioned, they stopped at Pittsburg for example. Do they really need to provide a detailed itinerary of every where they went along the way. . The only canon evidence the MWBoS existed[as tactics is largely non-canon] is Elder Lyons was assigned to try and re-establish contact with the MWBoS after establishing himself in Washington and bring them back under Lost Hills command, However he was unable to find them. If the MWBoS still exists they are nothing like they are shown in the "NON-CANON" game

Why not send Lyons to aid the Nevada detachment?

Because the Nevada detachment was probably to small and didn't exist until 2273.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:35 pm

Aren't a lot of the Tactics things, including weapons, non-canon though?


M72 was in Fallout 2.
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Benito Martinez
 
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:21 pm

Please Bethseda/Obsidian, we seriously need books on the matter ur killing us....
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:18 am

1. Rebuild Liberty Prime
2. Swell the ranks with new recruits
3. Capture or salvage as many Enclave Vertibirds and weapons as possible
4. Send a mission to link up with the victorious BOS chapter in the Midwest
5. Condense all BOS personnel, build more Calculator drone soldiers
6. Crush the NCR in the Mojave
7. Reunite with any remaining Mojave and Core Region BOS chapters
8. Finish the NCR Core region off
9. Offer to recruit or destroy the Shi Empire
10. Sweet, sweet victory...
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 1:34 am

Aren't a lot of the Tactics things, including weapons, non-canon though?


http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/M72_Gauss_Rifle_%28Fallout_2%29
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 10:38 pm

Yes they are, even the creator of tactics admitted and apologized for it. A few major events are considered canon but the vast majority is not. Considering its established the Enclave are in Chicago maybe the MWBoS was wiped out by them.


They did stop at other locations its mentioned, they stopped at Pittsburg for example. Do they really need to provide a detailed itinerary of every where they went along the way. . The only canon evidence the MWBoS existed[as tactics is largely non-canon] is Elder Lyons was assigned to try and re-establish contact with the MWBoS after establishing himself in Washington and bring them back under Lost Hills command, However he was unable to find them. If the MWBoS still exists they are nothing like they are shown in the "NON-CANON" game


Because the Nevada detachment was probably to small and didn't exist until 2273.


There is nothing that says the Enclave in Chicago destroyed the MWBoS. Bethesda has said "The High Level Events" are canon which mean there is a MWBoS there was a Calculator and Vault Zero. Does not matter that the guy who made Tactics said. If he did say that it was long before Bethesda ever bought Fallout and back when Van Buren was still being made.

So Tacitcs is canon for the most part and I can't believe I am saying this but because "Bethesda Said SO! The MWBoS are talked about in FO3 and mentioned to be near Chicago. Bethesda is also selling it along with FO1 and FO2 so they have an invested intrest in it being mostly canon. Only thing they don't like is the look, it does not have that 1950s look of Fallout 3 and New Vegas. Which is not a big deal. Selling a game thats not canon at all along with FO1 and FO2 would be stupid it would just confuse people even more. Its not about the money because they have said nothing about BoS and I doubt they ever will.

There is nothing wrong canon wize with Tactics. Every Fallout game has inconsistencies. FO3 talks about "Hard times" for the MWBoS. I am hoping there was a Mutant Liberation Army and after the BoS finally showed the wasteland their dark side aka deathcamps and betrayal of the mutations, the people sided with the mutations and after 40 plus years of guerrilla warfare against the BoS they lost alot of bases they gained in Tactics. I don't mind them being a shadow of their former self but their past glory is canon.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:19 pm

There is nothing that says the Enclave in Chicago destroyed the MWBoS. Bethesda has said "The High Level Events" are canon which mean there is a MWBoS there was a Calculator and Vault Zero. Does not matter that the guy who made Tactics said. If he did say that it was long before Bethesda ever bought Fallout and back when Van Buren was still being made.


There's nothing saying the good ending happened but the words small detachment in chicago seem to imply the calculator melted down. We must assume the ending that fits best occurred not the one most favorable. Until its actually spelled out.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 3:05 am

There's nothing saying the good ending happened but the words small detachment in chicago seem to imply the calculator melted down. We must assume the ending that fits best occurred not the one most favorable. Until its actually spelled out.


We just have to wait and see. Way I see it MWBoS/Tactics is canon, they did some great things but in the end fell apart, why? we don't know. Maybe the people got sick of them. In Tactics many people don't seem to like them. Some join freely but its also talked about how the BoS demand settlements give their best and brightest as payment for protection. Again to me the best would be they lost/losing a very long war against the mutations they betrayed and the people rebelled. People stopped joining them and their numbers started to fall.

Its also possible that small detachment was all that Lyons came across because thats all the MWBoS wanted them to see. MWBoS have been out of contact with the Western BoS. Stands to reason after decades of war and independance they would not want to be found. Lyons being determined to find them would not stop till he found them. MWBoS elders could have seen him as a threat a long over due judgment from the Western Elders. So they sent out a small group and convinced Lyons there were only a few left and only giving them some hint as to what brought the MWBoS low. Lyons having met some MWBoS and wanting to get on with the rest of his mission, noted the contact and moved on to DC.

The Devs of Bethesda would be crazy to write off the MWBoS, there are stories for great games that could take place in and around the Chicago area.
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