The Future of the Capital Wasteland Brotherhood of Steel

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:11 am

(WARNING: This is essentially an essay. If you feel the need to reply with tl;dr, it's probably not your thing)

So, one thing that New Vegas makes very clear is that the glory days of the Brotherhood of Steel are long behind it. They can no longer rely on superior technology alone. They got their asses kicked up and down the Colorado by the NCR, and the New Vegas cell has spent the past seven years hiding in a hole in the ground, hoping all their problems will just go away. They're stuck in the past, obsessed with tradition, and unable to change. Despite Veronica's best efforts, it's clear that the Brotherhood of Steel is effectively doomed.

The Capital Wasteland cell, meanwhile, is flourishing. They've recovered piles and piles of pre-War technology, have actually assembled a large army, and command the loyalty of the populace. Like it or not, if the Brotherhood of Steel has a future, it's going to be in the Capital Wasteland. So it's worthwhile to take a look at the Capital Wasteland cell, examine what they're doing, and see what they could develop into, given the attention they deserve.

The Brotherhood of Steel is based on medieval knightly military orders, such as the Knights Templar or the Knights Hospitaller. They are a monastic society that live in their own fortresses and combine religious and military lifestyles. They are led by the greatest knights and the wisest priests. They are an elite, enclosed society, who generally do not accept outsiders. And, of course, they wear big shiny armor. The historical military orders were founded for the purposes of carrying out the Crusades. While their primary purpose was to assist the Christian forces in fighting Muslims, they also naturally acquired territory of their own as part of the process, either conquering it from Muslims or purchasing it from fellow Crusaders. For the most part, this was limited to their own strongholds, much like the bunkers preferred by the Brotherhood of Steel.

The Crusades ultimately ended in a decisive Muslim victory, and with the end of the Crusades came the effective end of most of the military orders. There were two exceptions. While most of the orders held territory only in the Holy Land itself, others had been granted land outside it, or had conquered it in other Crusades against other enemies of the faith. The Knights Hospitaller conquered and ruled the island of Rhodes for over two hundred years before losing it to the Ottoman Empire in the 17th century, after which the King of Spain granted them rulership of the island of Malta, an arrangement that ended only in the island's capture by Napoleon in 1798.

The other exception has a little more relevance to Fallout.

The Capital Wasteland Brotherhood is Prussia.

The Kingdom of Prussia, what would become the nucleus of the German Empire, has its origins in the conquest of Prussia by the Teutonic Knights in the 13th century. While other conquests by military orders would ultimately fade away, the Teutonic Order's conquest stuck. Initially ruling as a "monastic state" similar to the arrangement in Malta, they eventually secularized and became first the Duchy, then the Kingdom of Prussia. While Prussia's military prowess wavered over the years, its origins as a military order clearly influenced its culture. In the 18th century, Prussia was often called "An army with a state" for the size of its standing army, which seemed to encompass its entire society. As Prussia became the power center around which the German Empire formed, this militant culture became the source of the stereotypical orderly, discipline-obsessed German.

The Capital Wasteland Brotherhood is in a similar position to the early Teutonic Knights. They are, in effect, an army faced with the very problem of having acquired a state. They are the only authority in the Capital and the strongest military power in the region, with a successful policy of integration that, in combination, will almost certainly lead them to grow. As they grow, and as they continue to integrate more "locals" into their command structure, they will have to abandon many of their old traditions. Arthur Maxson will probably stay in the Capital, even if Lost Hills is still around to return to when he comes of age, and it seems possible that the pseudo-monarchy of the Maxson dynasty will continue in the Capital. Eventually, the Brotherhood will "secularize" as the old traditions fade away, and the Maxsons will find themselves the de facto monarchs of a highly militant state.

That, in particular, could have some very interesting implications.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:26 pm

Kinda lost me with historical comparisons.

You also forgot the MWBoS that left long before Lyons. They have been on their own for over 40 years. They let in outsiders but they take what they want my force, they have forced labour/deathcamps.

Lyons is not the only group sent East. He just decided to stay in DC. There are other BoS out there on the East Coast. Chances are they are nothing like Lyons. There is also the matter of the Outcasts, will they join Lyons or go find the others?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 8:17 am

I like it.

I had a few thoughts as I was reading, but I'll keep them to myself. I'm not a very good at conveying my thoughts through writing and they really aren't all that important.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:12 am

Jolly good essay there, I like it a lot. The best part is that it makes sense and I can see the Capital wasteland becoming a military state, just imagine when the Brotherhood gets it's hands on the National Guard Armoury.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 1:40 am

Kinda lost me with historical comparisons.

You also forgot the MWBoS that left long before Lyons. They have been on their own for over 40 years. They let in outsiders but they take what they want my force, they have forced labour/deathcamps.

Lyons is not the only group sent East. He just decided to stay in DC. There are other BoS out there on the East Coast. Chances are they are nothing like Lyons. There is also the matter of the Outcasts, will they join Lyons or go find the others?


There were other groups???

I personnaly think that Capital Wasteland wont turn into a military state not until Lyons, Sarah Lyons and Arthus Maxson are dead.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 7:10 am

There were other groups???



I could be wrong but Lyons was not the only group sent East. Still there are the MWBoS and the Outcasts.


Off topic but I noticed a very big whole in FO3 lore. Lyon's mission "Second, to investigate the reports of super mutant activity in the area"
How the Hell could the Western BoS back in California know about Super mutant activity in DC? It's not like the mutants coming out Vault 87 formed a massive army like the Master had made.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:30 am

They used runners? I mean if guys could cross the Atlantic it shouldn't be impossible for a guy to cross a continent.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:50 pm

They used runners? I mean if guys could cross the Atlantic it shouldn't be impossible for a guy to cross a continent.


Do you know how long that would take? That would take months. The BoS doesn't have any vehicles.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:58 am

They used runners? I mean if guys could cross the Atlantic it shouldn't be impossible for a guy to cross a continent.


Why would someone run across the continent?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:43 am

Why would someone run across the continent?


:facepalm: They wouldn't LITERALLY run (although Forrest Gump did), the NCR had horses and stuff, couldn't you imagine a BoS cavalryman riding over the wastes, using a radio to report back to the leaders what's going on, and lest us not forget, the Brotherhood has been around for quite some time, and unlike a lot of other groups they are organised.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 1:53 am

Horses are extinct. And why would they send people there in the first place?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 5:37 am

Horses are not extinct, the NCR used them at Bitter Springs as seen in the hardback graphic novel I got with my collectors edition of Fallout. :biggrin: Also, why did Columbus sail the Ocean Blue?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:45 pm

I think they are. Chris Avellone, the author of the novel, himself said so. And also, BoS wasn't really keen on sending their people out to dangerous missions. They didn't even try scavenging The Glow. (altough some people chose to, against the orders of their superiors)
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:24 am

Horses are not extinct, the NCR used them at Bitter Springs as seen in the hardback graphic novel I got with my collectors edition of Fallout. :biggrin: Also, why did Columbus sail the Ocean Blue?


To hopefully establish a shorter and more profitable trade route to India. The Brotherhood mission to D.C. is the equivalent of Columbus taking half of Spain on a trip across the Atlantic while Spain was still at war with the Moors in pursuit of a land he once heard a story about just in case they might have some cool stuff to trade there.

It's a terrible concept that doesn't work with the Brotherhood at all.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:04 am

WRONG I'm sorry but you are all forgetting one thing, and it's all there black and white clear as crystal! THEY WENT TO THE CAPITAL WASTELAND, and no matter what you say, nothing can change that FACT, YOU may think it was stupid but THEY didn't, so in conclusion
YOU GET NOTHING!
YOU LOSE!
GOOD DAY SIR!
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Also, horses probably survived in the Steppes where they are native, also who'd wanna bomb the steppes? (well the band svcked, but not the area!)
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:53 am

Do you know how long that would take? That would take months. The BoS doesn't have any vehicles.


They obtained vertibirds from the Enclave.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 3:01 am

I could be wrong but Lyons was not the only group sent East. Still there are the MWBoS and the Outcasts.


Off topic but I noticed a very big whole in FO3 lore. Lyon's mission "Second, to investigate the reports of super mutant activity in the area"
How the Hell could the Western BoS back in California know about Super mutant activity in DC? It's not like the mutants coming out Vault 87 formed a massive army like the Master had made.


Noy investigate activity of super mutants in DC but to investigate remains of mutant army which went east.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:55 am

Noy investigate activity of super mutants in DC but to investigate remains of mutant army which went east.


Why would Lyons be sent to go East looking for what is left of the Super Mutant Army of the Master when 40 plus years before Lyons the BoS sent people that would become the MWBoS to do just that? MWBoS are already out there why send more? also those mutants in DC are not the Masters Mutants.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:04 am

Well it's not only the mutants, it's Washington D.C. you know, the CAPITAL, the centre, the place were among the ruins surely must lie great pieces of technology and history, to say that's it's insignificant would simply be lying, I'm surprised more people didn't turn up to take a good look.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 10:58 pm

The Brotherhood Of Steel in the Capital Wasteland will be fine for plenty of years to come as I don't see anything besides the Lone Wonderer that can challenge the BOS.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:25 am

Well it's not only the mutants, it's Washington D.C. you know, the CAPITAL, the centre, the place were among the ruins surely must lie great pieces of technology and history, to say that's it's insignificant would simply be lying, I'm surprised more people didn't turn up to take a good look.


Well thinking logically. Your numbers going down. War with a large power (NCR) is looming. DC is 2000 plus miles away. DC being the Capital would be hit very badly any tech there might not still be there. Which it should not be. West-Tek is now the Glow and yet The Pentagon and most of DC is some what intact? :confused: (yet so many people say DC was hit worce because it was the capital) So sending people out there makes little sense. If it was worth sending people and they knew of super mutants why just send a small group? Why did they not stop at any other locations? I find it had to believe nothing else of value is between Lost hills bunker and DC.

Edit, Why not send Lyons to aid the Nevada detachment?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:54 pm

Well maybe they did, but Lyons saw the West as a lost cause.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:13 am

Well maybe they did, but Lyons saw the West as a lost cause.


I have seen no info about them stopping. If the BoS knew such great tech was there, they would not just say "to hell with Lyons" which it seems they did just that. Outcast would have had better reason to take out Lyons but they just complained :brokencomputer: Lyons would be even more unloyal if he knew the western bos needed that tech but just sat there in DC.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 3:11 am

Yeah well the Outcasts were a bunch of automatons, Lyons was *cough* Lionhearted, and they were a bunch of fundamentalist crackpots. As for the West, well maybe they didn't like what Lyons was doing, or maybe they expended all they had on their expeditions out east and just said, "We can't do this anymore".
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:38 am

THE BROTHERHOOD SHALL LIVE ON FOREVER. LOL The Capital Wasteland BOS is growing in power and might actually match up with the NCR. After the defeat of the Enclave, the Mutants are the only problem left. Plus they know where the Mutants are coming from; Vault 87.
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