The Future of The Empire.

Post » Sat May 14, 2011 9:35 pm

Well, what do you want the empire to be at right now, after what happened after Oblivions main quest?

I think I still want the Empire to controll other provinces. But is at chaos. This adds alot of options for political curroption.
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 2:07 pm

Well, what do you want the empire to be at right now, after what happened after Oblivions main quest?

I think I still want the Empire to controll other provinces. But is at chaos. This adds alot of options for political curroption.
You can't have much in the way of opportunities for political corruption during chaos. It's the structure that lets corruption work.
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 9:40 am

Considering the events of The Infernal City, I hope that, in the second book, Umbriel destroys the Imperial City and sends the Empire to it's lowest point in some time. I don't mind if The Empire controls Cyrodiil, High Rock, Hammerfell, and Skyrim, but I don't want them controlling any other provinces. I hope Black Marsh becomes a force to be reckoned with thanks to their recent taking over of Morrowind, and becomes more powerful than The Empire. Combine that with the newly restored Aldmeri Dominion and Tamriel should be a very interesting place. ^_^
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 4:07 pm

Historically, when a empire completely loses it's leading lineage, and it's being torn up from within, they tend to completely fall, and the areas they control receed technologically. Think of the Roman Empire- and what happened afterwards. It took over 1000 years before people we could say we recovered (AKA the Enlightenment.)

I'm expecting the Empire to completely fall and the varous provinces turn to a state of semi-barbarism.
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 4:15 pm

I would like to see the Empire struggling to keep up with the times, attempting to control the other provinces, while fighting large threats at the same time. That would be cool.
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 5:56 pm

Going off of what's in the book, the Empire is basically looking like this:

-The Empire controls only Cyrodiil
-Summerset has conquered Valenwood to form the new Aldmeri Dominion
-The fall of the Ministry of Truth has driven the majority of the Dunmer to Solstheim
-Black Marsh has moved to take the southern reaches of Morrowind
-No news on the other provinces.

Hopefully they won't do anything lame like saying "Oh, yeah, that happened, but the Empire fixed itself by the time TESV rolls around".
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 8:36 pm

I think that a total collapse of Imperial administration would be a tad excessive, at least in the case of the more predominantly human provinces. The Redguards (whom originally forged their treaty with Tiber Septim on favorable terms after the events of Redguard), Bretons, and Nords probably aren't fond of the Empire but I doubt that they would feel compelled in any way to exploit its disorder following the Oblivion crisis. In the case of Summerset and Elsweyr, however, I could imagine some resentment towards the Empire's restrictive government and attempts to break away. I doubt, and sincerely hope it would not result in war or other large-scale conflict, as we've had enough of that already. Simply withdrawing from affairs within the Empire, however, seems far more likely.

To what extent would I like to see influence of the Empire persist? I'd like it to be like Daggerfall - where the majority of the military and political power is held by the indigenous rulers, but agents and spies (the Blades again) could be making efforts to gather intelligence or broker treaties with these local rulers. All in all, some degree of decentralization within Tamriel could lead to a very nice atmosphere, a lawless and uncertain one akin to Daggerfall's. Nothing more, though.
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 3:26 pm

OK, here is my vision of the Tamriel, 200 years after the Oblivion incident, (note that I have got some info from "The Infernal City" book):

The middle and southern parts of Morrowind isle are totally devastated, and the rest vastly shaken. Some parts have sunk under the sea and some other parts have arisen above the sea line, the volcano has erupted open and then again rose to make a tall volcanic mountain, and burned the land around. The remaining tribunal and ash-lander people have started to rebuild some villages and ports, in parts that can still be lived in, to continue with what has remained of life.

The landscape is a harsh volcanic scene, with jagged lines of the volcanic mountain that are drawn to the sea, and some remaining parts of the original land that still can support flora and life, and some people have started to make a life there.

As for the rest of the Tamriel, the invasion of daedra has devastated about half of the land, and they have scorched the landscape to make it like home, and started to build their own gigantic towers on the Tamriel surface, (except for Cyrodiil, because of the interference of our hero).

The entire empire has fallen into part anarchy and part feudalism. Some parts are at total mayhem, and other parts have retained a bit of order.

The remaining feudal, and more orderly parts might be ally, neutral or at war with other orderly governments, and there is a constant tension and under-current weaving underneath the surface of the land.

The daedra invaders have been gradually forced back to unreachable and outlandish parts of the land, and the scorched lands and the damaged or half-built towers that remained behind them are filled with outlaws and human/goblin war clans, and the reachable oblivion gates are destroyed, but there might still be some gates untouched in the outlandish areas.

There is a new cult who worship "Molag Bal" and have opened some gates to "Cold Harbor" in some deep caves and dungeons, and some new types of undead are pouring out from those gates.

The poor people have problems and conflicts with each other and have to fight daedra back to oblivion and yet they have to cope with those new types of undead which are starting to creep out of those caves and dungeons at night.

The economy at the still orderly parts of the land is at the pit bottom, and rust and dust is covering anything, and good loot is scarce, but if one finds some, then it is like treasure, and economy at the parts of the land that are going through anarchy is practically non-existent, and people have to fight over scraps, and some people gather around a leader to get some power over the surrounding area, and fights over loot or land are regular events.

The relatively untouched Cyrodiil is in fact touched by the global economy hit, and the invasion of anarchy provinces and daedra from its borders, but the core military oriented government has been able to retain more order than the rest of the continent, and is gradually turning into a military force which had made the empire in the first place, so it is sending envoys and outposts to other provinces to suggest Cyrodiil's support for them if they accept its leadership.

On the other hand their military forces are advancing through parts that are at total mayhem because of anarchy or daedra invasion, and it is gradually taking the invaded lands at some parts and expanding its borders at other parts, and some imperial keeps and citadels are appearing again at border-lands of other provinces filled with ready forces to attack anything hostile at sight.

And in these dark times, an unknown individual can start his/her carrier as a dastardly thief, a brave mercenary, a benevolent knight, a greedy merchant, a zealous adventurer, a bright eyed mage, or any other class of character, but it would be a quite a struggle to keep ones head above the surface of this ever raging sea of conflicts, and back-stabbing treachery.

OK, I voted for a crumbled empire, but I meant a crumbled empire that is starting to gain power again.
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 6:33 pm

OK, I voted for a crumbled empire, but I meant a crumbled empire that is starting to gain power again.

I have to disagree. When the gates where closed in the end of Oblivion, they where closed everywhere. At least, I don't want the same cliché "hell" appearing in every other game we see.
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 9:08 pm

Going off of what's in the book, the Empire is basically looking like this:

-The Empire controls only Cyrodiil
-Summerset has conquered Valenwood to form the new Aldmeri Dominion
-The fall of the Ministry of Truth has driven the majority of the Dunmer to Solstheim
-Black Marsh has moved to take the southern reaches of Morrowind
-No news on the other provinces.

Hopefully they won't do anything lame like saying "Oh, yeah, that happened, but the Empire fixed itself by the time TESV rolls around".


This, basically, though I wouldn't mind if they also control officially control Skyrim, Highrock and maybe Hammerfell, with it actually being ruled by local kings and clans, all trying to get a mayor power at least in their region (a bit like in Daggerfall) with the Empire only having true control over Cyrodiil (but still have power in the other regions of the Empire because of their legions).

The Aldmeri Dominion should certainly stay, though a part of the Bosmer population would try to get Valenwood as an independent nation.

By the time of TES V the Dunmer might have taken back large parts of Morrowind but are now in a war with the Argonians to regain their lost southern territories.

Elsweyr has probably declared itself independent but with a reasonable Imperial military force present to prevent the Khajiit to conquer Leyawiin and south Cyrodiil.

So the Empire wouldn't have completely fallen apart but with whole Tamriel in chaos (with the Dunmer-Argonian War, and the unrest in the Dominion).
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 10:38 pm

This, basically, though I wouldn't mind if they also control officially control Skyrim, Highrock and maybe Hammerfell, with it actually being ruled by local kings and clans, all trying to get a mayor power at least in their region (a bit like in Daggerfall) with the Empire only having true control over Cyrodiil (but still have power in the other regions of the Empire because of their legions).

The Aldmeri Dominion should certainly stay, though a part of the Bosmer population would try to get Valenwood as an independent nation.

By the time of TES V the Dunmer might have taken back large parts of Morrowind but are now in a war with the Argonians to regain their lost southern territories.

Elsweyr has probably declared itself independent but with a reasonable Imperial military force present to prevent the Khajiit to conquer Leyawiin and south Cyrodiil.

So the Empire wouldn't have completely fallen apart but with whole Tamriel in chaos (with the Dunmer-Argonian War, and the unrest in the Dominion).


But we have to remember, this is what happened in Infernal City, wich is not Bethesdas work, so they might just continue the game after the events of Oblivion instead of the events of Infernal City (wich I hope for).
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 2:12 pm

But we have to remember, this is what happened in Infernal City, wich is not Bethesdas work, so they might just continue the game after the events of Oblivion instead of the events of Infernal City (wich I hope for).

You know, at first, I was compeltely annoyed with the outcome of Infernal City. But, I think a new alliance between the Nords and Dunmer could go well. The Dunmer would rebuild thier civilisation, being a new "good" race, but, once they get power again, they would revert back to thier old ways, and causing political tensions and wars. Perhaps, they would bring some Nords with them to xenophobia?

Or, the Dunmer may end up desperatly trying to repopulate thier race, and end up with an enormous population, ending with them having a huge poitical force, and threatening a lot of the other provinces with it.

There's many new possibilities with the new Dunmer.
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 12:00 pm

You know, at first, I was compeltely annoyed with the outcome of Infernal City. But, I think a new alliance between the Nords and Dunmer could go well. The Dunmer would rebuild thier civilisation, being a new "good" race, but, once they get power again, they would revert back to thier old ways, and causing political tensions and wars. Perhaps, they would bring some Nords with them to xenophobia?

Or, the Dunmer may end up desperatly trying to repopulate thier race, and end up with an enormous population, ending with them having a huge poitical force, and threatening a lot of the other provinces with it.

There's many new possibilities with the new Dunmer.


But we have already "saved" Vvardenfell in Morrowind, I do not want to focus on that province again, but rather have Bethesda set the game in a province we haven't been in before (Arena doesn't count)
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 11:49 pm

But we have already "saved" Vvardenfell in Morrowind, I do not want to focus on that province again, but rather have Bethesda set the game in a province we haven't been in before (Arena doesn't count)

A Dunmer and Nordic alliance would take place on Skyrim.
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 3:50 pm

This is what I predict: Cyrodill is divided into kingdoms (many civil wars), when Umbriel destroys the Imperial City, the Empire is no more; many decades later Skyrim, with the combined might of the Nords and of the Dunmer, conquer High Rock and parts of Morrowind (expanding its borders to these areas).
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 12:28 pm

Another likely possibility would be that the Empire still exists and "technically" controls most of the provinces, but in reality is powerless in most of them. The provinces are essentially free to act as they wish, as long as they don't oppose the Empire outright and prompt a violent response by the limited forces that the Empire still does possess. The Empire may be broken down and weak, but it's not entirely "toothless"; it just has to pick and choose its fights very carefully. As long as a province or local warlord isn't considered a "serious" threat, the Empire probably won't intervene. A few places or local rulers may actually declare independence, but then have to constantly guard against the possibility of the Empire warring against them to recover what it considers to be its property.
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 1:16 pm

But we have already "saved" Vvardenfell in Morrowind, I do not want to focus on that province again, but rather have Bethesda set the game in a province we haven't been in before (Arena doesn't count)

Yeah we have seen way too many Dunmer. Lets make room for other races and provinces.

The Empire will crumble but I think the player is going to save the Empire somehow in TES V. It is something Bethesda would do.
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Post » Sun May 15, 2011 2:01 am

Isn't Tiber Septim of Nord descent? Just wondering because this might mean a Nord would take the throne if the Empire comes back.
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 4:50 pm

I think they mentioned in the book that all of the cities basically became their own "City-States" in Cyrodiil, and that the Empire is very weak (if not almost completely destroyed).

Skyrim's always been the same way, with people fighting over everything. I think that the Empire is going to do 1 of 2 things:

Rebuild, but be more democratic than having hereditary royalty (the amulet of kings is gone), Or it's going to completely disappear and each province is going to govern itself.

Kind-of a good change after the Prince Of Destruction (and the Prince of Revolution & Change) rolled around.
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 10:14 am

But we have to remember, this is what happened in Infernal City, wich is not Bethesdas work, so they might just continue the game after the events of Oblivion instead of the events of Infernal City (wich I hope for).


I don't like the Infernal City that much, the Dunmer would be the first to get their independence when they sensed a weakness in the empire's power (Oblivion Crisis, no heir etc.) so to lose there homeland and stuff didn't really fit in my eyes.

However, at the end of Oblivion it makes sense that the empire falls apart or is in chaos. So Dunmer would become independent, Altmer become independent and conquering Valenwood and form the Aldmeri Dominion fits so I wouldn't mind it to happen http://www.imperial-library.info/content/pocket-guide-empire-first-edition-aldmeri-dominion. The empire already has limited control over Black March so the Argonians would probably take back there lands. A war between Morrowind and Argonia makes sense without the empire keeping the peace, however Argonians are fit for guerrilla warfare in the swamps, so they wouldn't conquer Morrowind except for some swampy southern Dres territories if they would conquer anything at all, it wouldn't be unthinkable if the Dres actually advanced into parts of Black March. If the empire culdn't conquer it, they probably can't do it either but they can take some land there.

Elsweyr becomming independent during all this chaos would be logic, Hammerfell too I guess.

So that would leave the Empire only controlling Cyrodiil, Skyrim and High Rock, with local powers getting more and more power and autonomy because of the weakness of the Empire.

That was basically what I expected to happen after Oblivion even before the Infernal City was even announced, so if Bethesda is going to ignore the Infernal City, or parts of it, I would have the same 'future of the Empire/Tamriel' prediction. In my previous post I was actually changing the Infernal City lore to my vision (Dunmer reconquer most of Morrowind so the whole invasion thing has basically turned into a war with he Argonians) rather than basing the future of the Empire/Tamriel on the events of the Infernal City.
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 10:21 pm

They will be following the events of the books in the next game. Bethesda has already said that The Infernal City (and presumably the next book too) is canon.
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 11:00 am

But we have to remember, this is what happened in Infernal City, wich is not Bethesdas work, so they might just continue the game after the events of Oblivion instead of the events of Infernal City (wich I hope for).

Depends on how you define "not Bethesda's work". The author had access to the historical events that happens between Oblivion and TESV from Bethesda, and had Bethesda's writers to proof read his book and make sure the events fit.

The only major event that might have been purely out of the author's mind is Umbriel itself.
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Post » Sun May 15, 2011 1:42 am

Considering The Infernal City, the first poll option is highly unlikely.
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Post » Sun May 15, 2011 12:10 am

Its just that I think that Infernal City ruined everything. I don't want to see the provinces at war wich eachother, but rather political struggles, or fights with other people/creatures that doesn't make a province to be the "bad" guys.
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Post » Sat May 14, 2011 10:35 pm

Oh believe me, if TES V takes place while the empire is crumbling and the provinces hate each other, there will be many opportunities for the game to have political struggles.
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