I'll ignore it. :shrug:

They do have handholding in some instances imo but this is not one of them.

Actually, this I do use. As my character works with stealth and marksmanship, most of any benefit I might have in Skyrim (since moving backwards, rightfully so, is slower than moving forwards) is gone by the time I take the "non-compass" way to finding out if someone is friend or foe (read: showing your face means no stealth bonus). I'd rather have the compass in that case and a reason to use it (friends and foes of the same type, not just humans but other types who might be friendly or not) than not have it and knowing everyone is an enemy or friend based on what they are.

Has anyone noticed that this applies to real life, too? Everything is automatic, and every new invention makes things easier to do.



Someone once said here on the forums: "You call it wasted time. I call it playing the game". I loved that quote.

I might think that applied there if I counted sorting stat numbers playing

convenience removes the challenge. no challenge. whats the point of playing a game

If it doesn't 'auto equip' the best items for us, then we are playing.

Well, that all depends on the implementation.
I was reminded in this thread that in Oblivion one could sort the inventory to display weapons by how powerful they were.
That was an option I found so unintrusive and easy to ignore that I totally forgot it was there even.

The quest compass on the other hand I found impossible to ignore because it was on my screen all the time and because it was a neccesity as quests often gave no directions whatsoever.

If every time I open my inventory it is made abundantly clear I have better weapons in my inventor than I have equiped, (Nightmare scenario would be both a highlight and a change of font, like a big button that says 'push me'.) I would not be too happy about that.

If however it is like Oblivion and its an optional way of organising the inventory, then I have no problems at all.
Or even if its just a subtle little thing like a tiny arrow to the left of the equipment, a slight highlight.
It all really depends on the perceived level of it being 'pushed' on me.

Ok your right they shouldn't remove the "challenge" of sorting through stat numbers

Seriously, was any of this stuff in Oblivion/Fallout 3 too difficult for you to ignore?

Take a hint from that - this is likely to be about the same. That being said, if you somehow had an issue avoiding the compass in Oblivion, you might want to hold off on Skyrim until a mod is out.

How exactly is it going to prevent anyone from thinking for themselves? it's not like the game is going to force you to use the best item. it's not as if all your lesser gear is suddenly going to disappear or be totally unequipable when you get something better.

You're not looking for other peoples opinions. What you ARE doing, Is reading other peoples opinions and trying to prove them wrong with your own. You're not even attempting to look at the logic behind others, You're just hellbent on saying that you're opinion is right, And ours isn't. And you know what, Maybe to you that's how it seems. But in all reality, It's an added in feature, As far as I'm concerned it is an OPTIONAL one, And you're just spewing your 'It's too hand-holdy' crap and using 'I want other peoples opinions' as a false excuse.

In no way is the game FORCING you to use those weapons, It's suggesting them. It's like going to a restaurant and the waiter suggests the daily special. While it does sound good, You decide to just stick to you're 24 oz. steak with a side of fries because you already know it's good and you don't want to risk wasting the money on something that could potentially be mediocre. On the flipside, It could be the best thing you've ever eaten if you listened to the suggestion.

Have to agree with you. An easy to use UI has nothing to do with game challenge, and the only good thing about a 'challenging' UI I could possibly think of is 'old school rpger bragging rights.

No, it wasnt.
But the writer of the article I linked in the original post made a big deal out of it.
Like he thought it was a new feature.
That may indicate a higher level of intrusiveness.

If it's something simple like you have Weapon A equipped, it does 10 damage. You go into your inventory and scroll over your other weapons, it would show their damage and the difference with the equipped weapon, I wouldn't really mind.
Look something like this maybe...

Weapon B 8 dam (-2)
Weapon C 11 dam (+1)

If they made much more intrusive/complex than that, I wouldn't care for it at all.

The same people who hate this feature would probably just as quickly complain about how unintuitive the UI is if they didn't.

I have to agree.. it seems like hand holding. The method before wasn't even that damn hard, just be literate enough to read and make an assessment. In truth I don't see why they can't just have an options menu that enables or disables certain UI differences such as comparable stats, best skill upgrade etc etc and suit both worlds :/

I think it just bothers people to think the game might tell them they have a better weapon than they're using. At the end of the day, it's still your choice. Not going to change your preferences because of peer pressure from an inventory menu, are you? :rofl:

yes to the fist part and no to the second.... they should not remove the challenge of "THINKING FOR YOURSELF"

I'm actually fine with the feature.

Especially if it's time-expensive to check on an individual item's stats and remember them while you sift through other things and try to compare it; a quick discernment of your equipped item compared to the selected one in inventory and how they compare, is welcome. Even more so if there ends up being a TON of variants on items.

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Which in this case "thinking for yourself" is sorting through stat numbers (which if I might add REQUIRES NO THOUGHT AT ALL, seriously its a case of look for the higher number). Again yeah they totally shouldn't remove that "challenge" and make the UI intuitive in any way shape or form.

You're missing the point.
The game does the thing for us; we don't need to think at all. We just follow an arrow, marker, icon or a number on the screen, without being given the opportunity to think for ourselves, which some people enjoy. If it was not intrusive and as an option, rather than being "forced" (as in always there, printed on the screen, no matter what), then there's no problem.

Seriously, everything that comes out now has to be something new to complain about. When I heard about this, I was happy. It means I can look at both weapons at the same time as opposed to having to go back and forth.

Of course someone has to have an issue with it. Perhaps someone can mod your inventory screen back to the way Oblivion was.

Making information your character has available to you in an easily comprehensible format isn't handholding
Providing information your character doesn't know like quest markers is handholding
Noithing wrong with this IMO, its not like it was hard to work out what the best armour or weapon was in previous games
It doesn't remove your choices either. Don't like it, don't use it - just like in previous games