How about instead of being the prisoner, you're the guard?

... No, everyone would hate that...

Optional start, maybe?

Except the video does not hold any water in regard of the PC as a prisoner, not to mention it can be skip. Also, I doubt that video is really classified as lore as its more of an introduction rather than the whole main quest. Also, do ya still remember the term "Prisoner in my own body" I mention earlier? It can mean anything. Hell, ya could been a prisoner of hearing Picard singing and ya wanna get out but doing so get ya kill for being disrespectful.

What I am saying is that it is not absolute. There are more than meets the idea and how one see through rather than just say ya are. If ya think that the PC was truly a prison, then that ya idea, not mines.

If any motives, its these two:
* To tell players that the prison intro is not and will not be a tradition of the Elder Scroll
* Open people minds that the Prison Intro isn't the only way to go for the future. Rather, destroy it, burn it, and dump it in a volcano and actual suggest a better opening intro that can fit to all background.


"Are we there yet?"

"No, sleep until we get there. And eat ya god dam muffin!"

To add that, they I never recall those guards calling ya scum at all. Ya probably in another city.

Ah, okay. That's all I needed to hear. You just refuse it because you don't like it. That's fine, and if that's the case I'm done with this conversation.

That can be anyone. Its basically a free for all with the chaos Imposter Picard released.


I refuse because it isn't 100% legit. And a shame ya done with the conversation. I except more, really.

You're kidding, right? Sometimes I wonder why Bethesda even tries to make connections to previous games.

From what I seem in Oblivion, its basically the opposite.

Look I just don't want it to get too off topic with a conversation on our own interpretations on what could/might have happened. The game from the start tells the player that the character they are about to play was a prisoner. Now I could get the whole poetic "prisoner in their own body" thing, but only if the game didn't proceed to tell the character that they were shipped from the imperial city prison, and have a tutorial that's documenting the release of said character.

We are still in topic regarding the "supposes" theme of prison intro. And like I mention before, that video does not really hold any water inregarding the true ID of the PC.

Well, you could always say that the character was a 'prisoner of fate'... Oblivion sure embodied that one pretty damn well, but anyway, we like to be able to give our own characters a history, and not all of us like them to be blatantly accused of some felony, as Oblivion's jail heavily implies.

:facepalm: how? How does it not? How do the creators of the ideas, stories, lore not hold any water on what should be considered true about the game?

Because it is basically an intro movie of the game. It does not really impact the overall Main quest and it isn't really truly lore as it is insufficient and easily skipable overall. Like a fly in a jungle.

It's not truly lore because it's easily skipable? So are lot of the books in the game, and so many other things that are considered lore. Every little bit counts, I don't even see how that's an argument.

I aded another choice feal free to delete and repost I would be glad. It needed the new option badly from what I have seen.

The video intro itself is skippable. Its the insufficient little fly that just buzz around. Let take Daggerfall's video intro. Great acting, but was reconned two men in Oblivion (and recon the previous appearance of Picard via Arena as well). Even in Oblivion video, we do not see giant men guarding the tiny town of Imperial City.

The many books ingame are practically one of the main backbones of the lore of the game.

But it is followed up throughout the whole tutorial. There is a whole explanation there if you even cared to look for it (maybe not why the character was in prison, but the fact that s/he was).


So you think that the Emperor releasing a prisoner and sending them to Vvardenfell to become the Nerevarine, and kill Dagoth Ur isn't important to the main quest?!?

STOP ARGUING!!!!!!! THE PRISON START IS A THEAM AND IN MORROWIND YOU WERE RELEASED FROM PRISON AND GET ON SUBJECT PLEASE!!!!

Just stop arguing.


edit: if you have to argue do it over a private chat where you can curse and whatever just leave it off the fourums.

:foodndrink:

And I agree with this man about Morrowind, how couldn't your character be undercover? Mine is, sent to Morrowind under the guise as a prisoner. It's completely possible.

The intro needs to be short, and you need to have a choice whether you want your hand held, or just let go. No need to have an hour long intro (cough Oblivion and Daggerfall cough)

Not to mention forcing a background upon your character instantly (cough all games cough)

Tutorial exist to teach the player how and what of the game, in the long run, truly insufficient on impacting lore into the game itself.


Anyone have anything for their reason to exist. If thats ya background, then good for ya, its not mines and I can say a handful of repeated stuff why.

In the end, I would like to say this "prison theme" isn't a tradition at all and an open intro is needed in the future to create any background of whatso ever without the bull crap inbetween.

Yeah dude, it's possible that in Morrowind you enter under the guise of a prisoner. The only one who would know that you weren't would be you, the Emperor, and whoever sent you. (Presumably the emperor)

Your right, it's not yours. It's Morrowinds.


Well not to mention the fact that they were expecting you there, and that there was a package shipped with you with instructions for your arrival.

Even its Morrowind, its not 100% true as what truly happen to the PC before the whole event occurs because the game itself as it just a template for the players to create and thrive in background making.

Its when the player is truly in a prison cell, with the player seeing this setting with his/her own eyes, is when background creation is broken and bull crap excuses exist.

Of course they'd be expecting me: I'm presumably a prisoner on a prison ship! As for the instructions: Well, duh, whoever wrote the instructions would know that you weren't a prisoner but wrote them like you were so there'd be no cracks in the guise of you being a prisoner. Simple, really.

I'm not saying that the Nerevarine wasn't a prisoner, I'm just saying that it's possible for him to not have been one.

Nothing truly happened to the PC before then because there was no PC before then, it's a game. I'm just saying they gave you part of your background from the start of the game.


So there methods are to just pick the nearest prisoner and expect that he is the one that they received note of from the emperor? Interesting...

But not to the point that it can be taken in as fact. Remember that Daggerfall give out these templates of backgrounds but no one is really objective to its or use it as their true background. We create our background, with the range that the game does not force a crap load of stuff to us at the same time.

Stop arguing please it is frusturating and I don't want to have it keep geting off topic.Stop or I will ask moderators to handle it.