The pics are from the released footage (via the reddit page), you have suggested that the Glowing Sea and wasteland area are separate but you have no actual evidence of that beyond Todd's rather rambling description of it that indicates that the Glowing sea isn't just a part of the wasteland area.

We are talking about an apparently damaged skyscraqer that hasn't been maintained in 200 years, which might not even be in the actual game....as strong wind would probably be dangerous.

We have an area that apparently glows and causes dangerous radiation storms to sweep across Boston, but somehow Boston isn't irradiated wasteland poisoned by the same water......yeah reaching with that one.

Also we have footage of the coastal area which includes at least one settlement on the ruined submarine, we have no footage of coastal wasteland.....we have footage of inland wasteland area.

I think http://i.imgur.com/RNQ69JM.png may actually be a pic of the Glowing Sea area, with the fog looking like water from a distance since almost everybody would only see it from a distance.

http://i0.wp.com/www.onlysp.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Fallout-4-Concept-Art-16.jpg

Thinking back I cannot remember ever seeing any art work or footage of any Glowing water in the game.

What i notice about the art is that on the first picture you referance, it seems like the coastline has dried up. It could be that this is indeed the glowing sea, but we can't be 100% sure of it.

As for your theory, a detonation within the water of the harbor would indeed give some plausebility to the damage seen on the buildings, especialy at ground level, since it would most likely cause a tsunami of great force to impact the coast. It could also explain why later it is dried up, due to the blast vaporizing a large portion of the body of water, aswell as over longer time having dirt and muck collect on the bottom of this sea/lake (not sure if its a river, lake or sea, never been to boston) thus drying out the coast line.

The last concept art where we see what is presumed to be our protags hometown, we can indeed say three distinct impact zones excist, however this remains concept art and plans can change in developement. Also note that along the entire interview i think Todd Howard mentions only "bomb" as in singular, not ever does he say "bombs" as in multiple. This could just as likely indicate only "one" bomb was droped on boston, or atleast only one bomb managed to hit boston. (MIT could in theory have disabled any other bombs had they had similar technology and defensive means as Mr. House had in New Vegas. )

This seems verry similar to the laser sattelite weapon from FNV, the one at Hellios One.

But the evidence I have shown strongly supports the idea that there were three separate detonations, including one in Boston Harbor. Out of these three locations, namely Lincoln, Prospect Hill, and the Harbor itself, which one of these seems like the strongest candidate for the location of the Glowing Sea?

Also, going back to the interview, if you listen carefully when he talks about weather effects, Todd hesitates, and then starts talking about the Glowing Sea and the associated radiation storms. He does not say anything that directly suggests the Glowing Sea is located inland. We just assume that to be the case because 1. it is in the same conversation, and 2. at the time of the interview, everyone (myself included) assumed that there was only one detonation. And so "where the bomb falls" was mistakenly attributed to only a single possible location on the map.

And yet all of the damage to the buildings in the foreground would appear to be consistent with a single, very large explosion that started at sea level. This includes the 'toppled' skyscraqer. It is entirely possible that a high wind could have eventually knocked it over, but looking at the damage caused at the base of the building, it would make more sense that it collapsed immediately after the detonation.

Todd didn't say that the storms themselves were irradiated, or at least he didn't say anything that would imply this in the conventional sense. What he actually said was "when the lightning goes off you get irradiated", which would suggest that they are some kind of advanced electrical storm, during which radiation is released in a highly localised way through lightning strikes. If this is true, then the storms would actually be generated at cloud level, as opposed to ground level.

Also, it is more than possible that any radiation in the water is being 'held together' by some unknown anomaly, in much the same way that the localised anomalies work in the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. series. Considering the inclusion of electrically charged radioactive storms as mentioned above, I think this is more likely to be something that would fit into the Fallout universe.

And as you correctly stated, we have seen very little in the way of coastal regions. Perhaps this is entirely intentional at this stage. Also, with regards to the image you posted from the concept art, compare it to http://i.ytimg.com/vi/jB-n_8zq9Qo/maxresdefault.jpg one from the first Modern Warfare game, taken shortly after the nuclear blast.

From what Todd said in that interview "which is where the bomb falls" would suggest only one bomb fell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gD_TL1BqFg first sends force away from the epicenter, then draws it back. Those trees would be leaning toward the blast site, not away from it. Which also explains why not all buildings are damaged in the same way.

Yeah I read your first post, I'm unconvinced by your arguments so far....I'd say the unusually massive crater is the strongest candidate since its of unusual size suggesting it was of much higher yield that most of the bombs that hit.

Especially if it all looks like this http://i.imgur.com/RNQ69JM.png so yeah a massive crater filled with a yellowish fog seems like a good place for the Glowing Sea.

He doesn't say anything that directly suggests that the Glowing Sea isn't located inland either, I assume 'the bomb' is refering to a specific bomb rather than the usual bombs referenced in earlier games.....so the unsually massive crater is probably a good bet as to the location of this bomb blast.

I could equally state that the standing crane in the harbour makes a nearby sea level blast unlikely, or that the majority of the damage to the skyscraqers seem to be to the upper levels suggesting that the blast or blasts came from above rather than below.

True, but they are drawing that radiation from somewhere in an unusual way.....which also suggests an unusual source rather than a nuked harbour that looks no different to DC after multiple nuke strikes.

Totally unknowable at this point, but zero evidence to back up the possibility, anomalies are not presently part of the Fallout universe.....the sea water will be radioactive since we have the mirelurks but there has been nothing shown so far that suggests Boston coast is extraordinarily irradiated enough to get the nickname 'glowing'.

I'm not sure how a nuke exploding in a ciy in a game helps to prove that the nuke hitting Boston hit the sea, since we have zero knowledge of what a city hit by a nuke exploding underwater would look like.

And why would he have mentioned 'bombs' in plural, when the trailer and the footage only show one detonation? They clearly don't want to reveal anything that wasn't shown in the carefully put together E3 footage or the trailer. For the record, many people still assume that the crater we see in concept art is the same one seen from above the vault, even though this is geographically impossible.

At https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqQqeEgWb7Q&feature=youtu.be&t=5m44s he says "We actually have part of the world called the Glowing Sea, which is where the bomb falls".

This is not actually a good indication of the yield of a nuclear weapon, as an air burst would not result in any crater. The one we see here would suggest a detonation at surface level, which would absorb a large amount of the resulting energy, and would also explain the relatively good condition of nearby buildings. Note, for example, the Bunker Hill Monument seen to the right of the https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5esyZPt5Jo&feature=youtu.be&t=4m45s, and seen again http://youtu.be/Lnn2rJpjar4?t=1m37s in the trailer with hardly any damage. And so it would be technically impossible for the area in the foreground to be the result of the same explosion.

Also, the http://i.imgur.com/RNQ69JM.png you refer to, although evidently near to one of the blast zones, shows what looks like a dust storm, and certainly less severe than the one shown http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Dust+Storm+Blankets+Sydney+Brisbane+KsRKFK6oxQXl.jpg in Sydney, Australia.

In certain circles, this method is known as 'plausible deniability'. We have heard mention of '200 years', 'the Glowing Sea', and 'the bomb' without being given any specific details.

As I stated above, a blast wave thrown up and out of the sea at an angle of roughly 45 degrees would effectively create a 'dead zone' near to the surface that would protect anything low enough to the ground. This would include the crane, as well as the nearby Boston Harbor Hotel, which is still intact. Anything above this dead zone would either be partially or completely torn apart, as evidenced in the concept art. Note that it would appear that the tops of many of the buildings have literally been 'sheared off'. Also note that the buildings behind this area appear to have been shielded from the blast wave.

I would say that an area of the sea hit directly by a nuke, that will 'glow' under certain conditions, causes electric storms with radioactive lightning, and is capable of producing such creatures as a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5esyZPt5Jo&feature=youtu.be&t=4m35s (top left of image) is a fairly unusual source.

And yet the whole idea of the Glowing Sea and radioactive storms is unlike anything we have seen in the Fallout universe. So something has clearly caused it, and I would argue that this does in fact qualify as being an http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/anomaly.

I was simply trying to demonstrate that the image you showed with the yellow haze seems to be fairly 'standard' if this was near to one of the blast zones, rather than it suggesting that the Glowing Sea is land based

EDIT: The videos shown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y53vDnNPiA4 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f2f6zb7Fe8 should give us a fairly good idea of an underwater nuclear detonation, although this example is in open sea (note that the boats actually survive the blast). Other factors would clearly be involved in-game, such as depth upon detonation and proximity to land. If a nuke did detonate in the area I suggested just below surface level, then a great volume of mud and other debris would have been thrown up at very high speed towards the buildings we see destroyed in the concept art.

This here http://i.imgur.com/RNQ69JM.png is on the way to the Glowing Sea.

Or it could just show the beginnings of a http://www2.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Dust+Storm+Blankets+Sydney+Brisbane+KsRKFK6oxQXl.jpg (although the image is clearly near to one of the impact zones).

EDIT: note that this image also shows off the new https://youtu.be/DqQqeEgWb7Q?t=3m3s as explained by Todd.

It very well could be a dust storm. Two things that make it unclear if the Glowing Sea is actually water or just what's represented in that image:

If it is indeed water based, then it's legitimate that it is referring to the coastal area/sea and any storm will carry that radiation over the land. Here, the size of the water portion can be expected to be small at the same time. It is indeed a body of water, so the "sea" in the same is perfectly fine.

If it is meant to be that picture which we assume to be a dust storm, does "sea" in the name really warrant it being true? One would expect a land portion called Glowing Sea to be moderate in size if it's going to look like that. It would be interesting to explore.

Okay, some thoughts.....

1. http://i.imgur.com/RrGV64T.png the crater is obviously important and is the sight of a major ground blast, so for those who know Boston what should be there.....what was so important that it would be totally wiped off the face of the earth. There were of course much smaller craters in Fallout 3 where nukes hit, so I would say if its to scale thats a MAJOR step up in firepower than they hit DC with and that was a much more heavy attack in numbers.

2. I was thinking about The Glow from Fallout 1, which I don't think actually glowed.....does the lore say otherwise, or is the nickname of the Glow more a go there and you will end up glowing from the radiation.

3. If the Glowing Sea actually is a sea and is Boston harbour, why is Boston not a totally screwed up area like the Pitt....I know we have talked about this before, but for me this is a major stumbling block for the Boston Harbour theory. If Boston Harbour is heavily irradiated its pretty much a given that the Charles River is to, along with the coastline and riverbanks.

Which it might be, thinking about it since we only have limited knowledge of what Boston is like.....but if its heavy Irradiated why are people still choosing to live in Boston and apparently rebuilding.

4. Where is the baseball stadium roughly located on the overview....since we know that has an apparently has enough of a local population to be a trading hub.

This could be important since distance from the Irradiated water areas could be another reason why the stadium was used as a settlement.

5. Is there a map available with the known game locations?

Looking at the Concept art there are four interesting pictures in reference to the harbour/docks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5esyZPt5Jo

4:22 - Dock area with derelict ships

4:29 - Wrecked fishing boats covered in a fog

4:35 - Dock area with derelict ships

All of these have a person exploring them.

4:50 - View from the sea, looking at Boston skyscraqers.

Oh and at 4:28 we have a submarine which doesn't seem to be the wrecked one from the trailer.

a Couple of points,

My theory is that the Glowing sea may be due to a nuclear reactor (as in a mainland 1000-4000Mw unit) had a containment failure due to the bomb either dumping the reactor(s) into the crater, or later failure due to damage sustained and/or loss of operating personnel,

given that those can have between 500 and 2000 tons of fuel (or more when including spent fuel rods stored on sight) I suspect its possible that the reactor would tend to "keep running" similar to what happened with the Gagon natural reactors.

the reactor was located away from the Boston core and where the foundations would be sitting on for example Limestone, the heat loading generated by a dumped reactor core could probably be enough to basically turn the crater into a literal open pool low power reactor. Depending on where the bomb went off its possible for said reactor "pool" due, to the heat of the core, to bascialy cook the water, and given the reactions possible with such a reactor basically you might end up with a surprisingly chemically reactive and radioactive pool, more so if the reactor ends up sitting in a Limestone crater than in a Boston clay pool, but the reference to "radiation from lighting" would be more consistent with a SCIENCE! explanation with Limestone (Electron Capture)

At 4:30, bottom right hand corner, there's a couple of aliens in space suits =)

I have some additional information to post shortly that should shed more light on the nature and location of the Glowing Sea.

For the record, although I don't think it has to do with aliens, I'm sure the ones you mentioned here will most certainly be involved in a side quest or two.

I love how apparently the aliens just sat there and watched mankind annihilate itself. Perfect.

How the aliens probably view us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5YaihAtnC4

Okay guys, after a great deal of further investigation, I think I may have finally made something of a breakthrough. First, a question:

What would tie Boston Harbor to the Glowing Sea, radiation storms, a 2285 start date, the design of vault 111, and the start of the great war? Well, you may wan't to consider the following:

On the morning of 23rd October 2077, a Chinese Super-Sub (seen https://youtu.be/D5esyZPt5Jo?t=4m27s at 4:27, current Chinese flag shown https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Flag_of_the_People) drifts into Boston Harbor after a 'mechanical failure'. The sub begins to descend, and eventually collides with a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Submarine_mines_in_United_States_harbor_defense (shown https://youtu.be/D5esyZPt5Jo?t=3m40s at 3:40 on the right-hand side of the 'green' image). The detonation partially ruptures the hull, and a distress signal is immediately sent out. When the sub hits the bottom of the harbor, the resulting impact kills most of the remaining crew members, and also causes damage to the area surrounding the reactor core.

Meanwhile, the scrambled distress signal is received by the Chinese Military, and when contact with the sub is lost, it is assumed that this was a deliberate strike by the US. And so a non-nuclear missile is launched on an American target in retaliation, most likely another sub or a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destroyer. The US Military sees this as an act of war, and so they also retaliate. Before long, the situation escalates, and the result is a full-scale nuclear exchange involving China, the US, and the USSR.

Three nuclear warheads detonate in the Greater Boston area. First in Lincoln (seen from vault 111), then in Prospect Hill, and finally, in the harbor between the Boston Harbor Hotel and the airport. The detonation in the harbor throws up a massive volume of mud, water, and other debris at supersonic speed, destroying and partially vaporising many of the nearby buildings as seen in the foreground of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5esyZPt5Jo&feature=youtu.be&t=4m45s image at 4:45. The underwater detonation also sends out a powerful electromagnetic pulse, causing http://navyadvancement.tpub.com/14325/css/14325_370.htm to the electrical systems inside the sub. The shockwave also tears a http://www.extremescience.com/deep-sea-vents.htm along the sea-bed, and the submarine ends up lodged partway down the fissure, leaking dangerous levels of radiation into the surrounding water.

The result of this incident is a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrothermal_vent on the sea-bed, which contains high levels of radiation (due to the ruptured core of the sub's nuclear reactor), a large pocket of superheated water, and a submarine hull that has been charged up like an enormous electromagnet by the EMP blast, and maintained by the reactor core. Whenever the temperature reaches a critical point, electrostatically charged and highly irradiated water is pushed up towards the surface, causing the surrounding water to 'glow'. The water vaporises as soon as it reaches surface level, and this vapour quickly gathers at high altitude to form electrostatic irradiated clouds. The clouds are blown inland, and as they move, radioactive lightning bolts are discharged, as described by Todd during the interview following the showcase.

As for the 2285 start date, an 8 year duration would allow more than enough time for the technology from project purity to be brought to other areas along the East Coast, including New York and the Commonwealth. This would explain the relatively 'clean' water we have seen in the showcase and concept art (apart, of course, from the radiated water being produced inside the hydrothermal vent).

And finally, the design of vault 111, as suggested in http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1523172-is-vault-111-built-like-a-submarine thread, now seems even more viable, as it ties in very closely with the incident described above.

HalfLife 7 Confirmed.

Sorry guys, the link to the flag in the above post doesn't seem to be working, and I can't amend it at this time. http://www.learnnc.org/lp/media/flags/Peoples_Republic_of_China_800px.png one, however, should be fine

EDIT: information in above post added to OP - still can't edit the link though!

Gkk7z I sure hope you GM for a group (uhh game master or dungeon master err whatever it may be called in your neck of the woods)

It would sure be a shame if you do not I think.

I really like your Idea thats pretty much it heh.

Also perhaps the subs reactors didnt start leaking for a bit, maybe it took a bit for the metal to give way (hence more rads than normal). I did some research on the Enterprise (us aircraft carrier) it has (well had was decomed) 8 nuke reactors in it which are really driving up the price to tear the damn thing apart heh. That sub is huge so maybe

TL;DR, for now, but based gkk7z