I'm at the decision point of the MQ and I've been there for about two weeks now. I would have progressed beyond this point, but all the options on the table are so universally awful, I don't have the will to go through with any one of them.

I'd like to congratulate Bethesda. You guys sure know how to create one hell of an amazing game world, and then ruin the main quest experience by railroading me into making some truly awful "choices." Never mind the fact that neither I nor my character would ever morally, realistically go through with any of these. In almost every quest, in almost every conversation, I'm digging my fingernails into the palms of my hands, clenching my fists so freaking hard, wanting to yell and curse at the game for not giving me the logical fifth dialogue option that's never there.

"War never changes." War is horrible, gruesome, bloody, unfulfilling, and it never changes. And I'm guessing, when the writers sat down to craft the story of this game, they began with that slogan, and that premise -- "Let's make a main quest storyline that's horrible, gruesome, bloody, and unfulfilling, just to show how awful war is."

Well, maybe war SHOULD HAVE changed in this game. It svcks having to go through with horrible things, when all the while, there's that niggling voice in the back of your head wondering, "Why isn't THIS choice in the game?" Or, "The whole situation could easily be diffused if only I had THIS dialogue option!" Why why why why why why WHY?!

Next time, try taking a page from Undertale, not Mass Effect 3. And maybe give your players an option that DOESN'T force them to compromise on their convictions, their allegiances, and half the friendships they've made along the way. I don't know if I'll ever finish the Fallout 4 main quest. If that was your goal, to make a main quest your players wouldn't want to finish -- then good job.

I totally get what you're saying and strongly disagree. I'm a big fan of moral ambiguity in games and approve of the fact there's no good ending here. There's no way to be the Big HeroTM and that fits the Sole Survivor's tale. I don't need it to happen for the NEXT hero but I think it fits the SS.

Then again, I think the SS is better detailed than most protagonists in the franchise and can understand why people are upset.

Albeit, I would have appreciated more options to TRY to do the right thing. Even if it's impossible.

May I ask which choices bothered you?

I'd like to know what was your issue in particular.

Unnecessary complaining, no offense.

It makes sense this way. You really simply can't side with everyone in real life. Certain ideals and beliefs will conflict with one another. This is why there will always be some sort of war and has always been some sort of war going on. Every single different person can't stand living in the same world with another person who's beliefs, or ideals, conflict them... And vice versa. No matter what, you have to make a choice between two factions. The Minuteman is the only faction that's open to the other three is it's them and one of the other three. No matter what though, the other three HATE one another and will attempt to kill each other no matter. A simple discussion, or meeting, won't get you anywhere. At most, you might stop a fight temporally but these factions, in their hearts, truly don't like one another and there's really nothing you can do about it...

That's just life and it svcks. This is the whole point of Fallout. To express and explain the idealogic of war so deeply like this and put you in a situation like this, especially for someone who just wants peace or family (which really embraces Fallout 4's story the most and made this much more enjoyable).

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For example, I consider myself to be truly good. My ideals and beliefs are surrounded on accepting people and making others feel better, happy, etc... But my ideals/beliefs still conflict with people who wants nothing more than to torment others for their own personal needs/wants. Those type of people sickens me and I know we will never be able to do anything except fight one another...

Think of it like this, the MQ is to find out what happened to your family.

All of the reasons you dislike it are all of the reasons i like it, most importantly;

'give your players an option that DOESN'T force them to compromise on their convictions, their allegiances, and half the friendships they've made along the way.'

Those things in my eyes are what defines powerful narrative.

1.) No one is forcing you to keep playing. If you hit a point that you deem unreasonable, don't do the quest. BOOM DONE.

2.) Watch yourself. You're getting into spoiler territory, and the only worse thing than a good story is some whiny brat on the forums ruining it for you. Be considerate to other posters

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One of the most common complaints about Fallout 3 was that it was black and white. Welcome to the world of gray.

On a side note, I had the same issue with New Vegas, which I never finished. I wasn't going to take out Mr. House and I wasn't going to take out the Brotherhood, who I was friendly with. I couldn't progress without doing one or the other, so I have no idea aside from a battle at the dam what happens after that. Loved New Vegas and spent many hours in it, but my solution was to maintain the status quo, or at least let somebody else take care of House or the BOS. I wasn't going to do it.

I'm nowhere near the end yet, but, if I can stck it to the Fascist I'll be happy. I hate Fascists.

What you hate is what many of us love.

What you want is what many others would hate.

If you can accept variety in storytelling styles, you can love everything.

If you can't, then it is your own fault.

If I were to add an option for the game, it would be the Carrington and Elder Danse options.

1. The Carrington option would give players the options of installing Doctor Carrington as leader of the Railroad, which would require Desdemona to be assassinated. It would svck because Desdemona is awesome and everyone hates Doctor Carrington but if you make Carrington leader then he's willing to sign a peace-treaty with either the Brotherhood of Steel or Institute.

The terms don't really matter because it would make the game better to be played from both perspectives.

2. Elder Danse would be willing to make a peace-treaty with the Railroad but NOT the Institute. It would allow the Big Grand Finale at the end to feel less horrific.

What do you think?

If you agree that it didn't make sense, then you know what I'm talking about.

To be fair, it's the Post-Apocalypse.

Bisixuality and Polyamory are no big deals.

You know, because of the whole isolated "every day we might die" business.

HISTORY BACKS IT UP!

The only reason I can't finish is because of the companions tie. My favorite character is Danse and my favorite faction is the Institute. I'm just hoping there will be a DLC or mod later on that will allow us to spare Danse even if we side with the institute or at least make Danse into the BoS elder, which is the only reason why I can't stand BoS, I just don't want to be working under Maxson.

I like the moral dilemma though. It's not a power fantasy like many games out there. You can change things but you can't bring peace to everyone, some conflicts can't be resolve by you.

I think they could have done a LITTLE better.

Provide a peaceful resolution for ONE faction if not all of them.

And that's what they did with the Minutemen but TWO would have been nice.

I agree but it would have been nice to have more options anyway.

Like if you were Director of the Institute and want to make peace with the Brotherhood, to bring a peace treaty to Elder Maxson and have him strip you of your brotherhood before exiling you.

Something like that.

The % based charisma checks work in the players favor to give them a chance when their skill is low. I'm not a particular fan of it, but for those people who like to save scum I can see the appeal of it. The romance options, and frankly relationships in general in the post-apocalyptic wasteland seem to be right on par with what they should be.

I'm not saying that the Railroad did the best thing ever. But I consider them radical terrorists anyways, and super short minded - so I don't pick that ending. (Let's just free the synths by wiping their minds, essentially killing them, and then hurray they are free! I'm sure Danse is thrilled to be BoS and Synth...ohwait)

So again, you want 3 factions that morally CANNOT co-exist to get along and be friends. It just would be absolutely terrible writing. How would you see that converstation going between any of them? What would your argument be?