The God Chart : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Sun May 16, 2010 6:16 pm

Scholars, I come to you with what I believe to be a handy tool if it hasn't been done or tried before: A chart detailing the different pantheons aspects of the Aedric gods, so as to help with possible confusion in the future. http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r291/nybaterri/elderscrolls/Godchart.jpg tell me what you think, or if there are any errors or inconsistencies, or qualms or gripes, or downright hatred.

Brian.

[actually just realized myself I'm missing S'Rendarr, I'll get that fixed...]

» Sun May 16, 2010 4:23 pm

Saved. Thanx now I don't have to look at 13 million different books

» Sun May 16, 2010 11:13 am

the name of the nordic god of ransom/mercy/apologies is stuhn, not stendarr.

» Mon May 17, 2010 1:07 am

Stuhn (God of Ransom): Nordic precursor to Stendarr, brother of Tsun. Shield-thane of Shor, Stuhn was a warrior god that fought against the Aldmeri pantheon. He showed Men how to take, and the benefits of taking, prisoners of war.

:shrug:

» Sun May 16, 2010 10:13 pm

Stuhn (God of Ransom): Nordic precursor to Stendarr, brother of Tsun. Shield-thane of Shor, Stuhn was a warrior god that fought against the Aldmeri pantheon. He showed Men how to take, and the benefits of taking, prisoners of war.

:shrug:

if you're going to be consistent, be consistent. you're creating a comparison chart. not all nords accepted the religion of the nine divines. remember that.

and by the way, stendarr is worshiped in high rock also. yeah, fix your chart.

» Mon May 17, 2010 12:52 am

Are Xarxes and Julianos the same god, or do their purviews just overlap?

» Sun May 16, 2010 1:50 pm

Aside from the "war" thoughts that I PM'ed you, I also wondered about the Xarxes / Julianos crossover.

Props to you nonetheless. :thumbsup: We've needed a chart for a long time. Let's hammer this one out.

___TWM

» Sun May 16, 2010 11:27 am

if you're going to be consistent, be consistent. you're creating a comparison chart. not all nords accepted the religion of the nine divines. remember that.

and by the way, stendarr is worshiped in high rock also. yeah, fix your chart.

I think you'e right. It hit me it meant precursor as in preluding the Cyrodiilic version, but Photobucket uploading makes me computer [censored] itself. I'll fix it in a bit.

» Sun May 16, 2010 3:11 pm

if you're looking for the nordic equivalent of commerce and agriculture, it's tsun. i can't really give much other details since i don't know much about tsun, but zeht and z'en as gods of difficulty and toil. so, you can relate that to trials against adversity altogether.

» Sun May 16, 2010 2:04 pm

if you're looking for the nordic equivalent of commerce and agriculture, it's tsun. i can't really give much other details since i don't know much about tsun, but zeht and z'en as gods of difficulty and toil. so, you can relate that to trials against adversity altogether.

If it weren't for the vague name similarity, I'd totally disagree. It's a possibility. What does everyone else think?

» Sun May 16, 2010 10:10 pm

If it weren't for the vague name similarity, I'd totally disagree. What does everyone else think.

it's really vague. thing is the nords learned agriculture only after they arrived on tamriel. (atmorans being hunters than farmers.) so they have no equivalent. but, zenithar's command doesn't just go around commerce and agriculture, and those are very sophisticated concepts. it's basically related to difficulty, toil, labor, and scarcity. but... :shrug:

» Sun May 16, 2010 11:51 am

Yeah, I'd like the community's opinion on this trivial little matter before I go ahead and put up the revised version.

» Sun May 16, 2010 1:54 pm

Are you going to add the Morrowind pantheon by any chance? I know that their pantheon is a lot different than the other nations, but it would make it more complete.

» Sun May 16, 2010 5:20 pm

Wasn't planning on it, though Varieties of Faith notes Almalexia carries Akatoshian traits, she isn't an aspect of the time god, nor are any of the Tribunal or the Daedra worshipped aspects of any of the Aedra. They're a bit more mythic in symbolism. We only know they call Lorkhan, Lorkhan, really.

» Sun May 16, 2010 7:34 pm

Almalexia also has Stendarran traits; she is both the Mother of Morrowind and the Lady of Mercy.

» Mon May 17, 2010 2:20 am

Yeah, and farmer bob in Skingrad has a crush on suzy lou, doesn't make him an aspect of Mara, we're talking spheres here. Besides, she's totally seperate from that scene, mortal in the mundic sense.

» Sun May 16, 2010 6:21 pm

I know, the Morrowind gods wouldn't fit in to the chart.

Very nice work with the chart, by the way.

» Sun May 16, 2010 6:01 pm

How did you come up with Arkay being Orkey? Orkey is supposed to be Malacath.

» Sun May 16, 2010 10:44 pm

How did you come up with Arkay being Orkey? Orkey is supposed to be Malacath.

http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=749734&hl=orkey++arkay

Or there'd be two Malacaths.

» Sun May 16, 2010 9:33 pm

Becuase Mauloch of Skyirm Pantheon is explicitly stated as being Malacath:

Mauloch (Malacath): An Orcish god, Mauloch troubled the heirs of King Harald for a long time. Fled east after his defeat at the Battle of Dragon Wall, ca. 1E660. His rage was said to fill the sky with his sulphurous hatred, later called the "Year of Winter in Summer".

Plus Orkey is associated with lifespan by the Nords, and appears to have elven origin. Plus, duh, the name.

Arhhh, Mariel and his fast fingers, yarrr...

» Sun May 16, 2010 11:52 am

Plus, duh, the name.

Outside of all the discussion, the thing with names in the TES series is frikin' ridiculous. Arkay and Orkey being the same because they sound similar? Taka Rosh and Akatosh? They must have been having a slow decade at the office.

» Sun May 16, 2010 4:04 pm

Nuh uh! Tiber Septim/Talos/Wulfharth/Zurin Arctus/The Underking!

» Sun May 16, 2010 2:55 pm

Nuh uh! Tiber Septim/Talos/Wulfharth/Zurin Arctus/The Underking!

That is ridiculous in a different way... :grad:

» Sun May 16, 2010 2:08 pm

Outside of all the discussion, the thing with names in the TES series is frikin' ridiculous. Arkay and Orkey being the same because they sound similar? Taka Rosh and Akatosh? They must have been having a slow decade at the office.

They don't only sound similar, you know. It clearly did its job considering how many overlooked it.

Yeah, I'd like the community's opinion on this trivial little matter before I go ahead and put up the revised version.

I don't think Tsun is Zenithar. Trials over adversity, and the fact that he died defending Lorkhan from the "elven gods" make him sound like more of a war god; a bizarro Trinimac, if you will, since the elven gods are mostly the same as the Nordic gods, their stories divided and muitliplied during the fractured timeline of the Dawn.

I really don't know what to make of him otherwise, except to thnk that MK intended to expand on him in the future.

» Mon May 17, 2010 3:46 am

It clearly did its job considering how many overlooked it.

It could be they aren't looking for the simple answer.