Thanks for that.
I would like to ask though, how can Lorkhan be Padomay, if Anu killed Padomay?
It was Padomays death, and the spilling of his blood which seen the Birth of the Daedroth.

This is true, although I tend to see him erring more on the Daedric side of the fence, due to his malicious nature in trapping the Aedra.
Which is pretty much sumed up in saying that he is Padomaic. Which is Et'Ada I guess.

Lorkhans never been stated as Padomay in any canon source, most likely theory if anything.

Fair enough.

Personally I couldn't support that theory. It makes little sense for Padomay to still be alive (for lack of a better term). If Padomay was still "alive" nothing we have could exist as it is.

Echh...this is where the giant clusterfudge of TES lore gets even more muddled. See, Padomay's not exactly dead, since he's one of the two primal forces that bind together all of creation. It's more accurate to say that at this point he's sort of...fallen out of favor. The various planes of existence are more or less stabilized, thanks to the work of Anu and the Aedra, so Padomay doesn't have much of a place in the universe. He exists, though, at least in his spiritual form, otherwise there would be perfect stasis everywhere in creation.

As for Lorkhan...see, if Padomay is the nothingness from which change can come, Lorkhan is change itself made manifest. It's almost like the difference between Akatosh and his Avatar, or Sheogorath and the NPC the player actually meets in the Shivering Isles--where one is the divine spirit itself, the other is that spirit made manifest and capable of direct action. They're not the same, but they're bound together nonetheless.

Ah that does make more sense. And would work well with what I said about the Aedra who sacrificed to create Nirn earlier.

If the Dragon is Akatosh's avatar. Then the grass, earth and beasts of Tamerial is Mara (if that is indeed the correct deity).

On the note of Sheogorath. Is it correct to say that Sheogorath as a Daedric prince doesn't technically exist?
Sheogorath is a curse apon Jyggalag. Which is why the PC doesn't become a Daedric prince themselves at the end of SI? (You simply take the curse apon yourself as you did in the Knights of the Nine quest to get the gauntlets)

@Mara: Bingo! The wee fuzzy animals are Kynareth's, but the earth itself is considered to be the closest thing remaining to a physical presence that Mara has on Mundus (except for the very few times that she's used an actual avatar).

Sheogorath...heh. I honestly love the concept of Sheogorath. Does he exist? Yes and no. It's true that he's a corruption of Jyggalag, but what's unclear is if Jyggalag was even ever a Daedric Prince at all. Jyggalag is the Prince of Order, a sphere of influence drastically different from the chaotic, Padomay-aligned nature of the rest of the Daedric pantheon. So with that in mind, I've always actually tended to believe that Jyggalag was an Aedric spirit who was warped by the combined Padomaic influence of the Daedra, and made into Sheogorath. This has the added benefit of explaining how the Shivering Isles can still exist after the player releases Jyggalag from his curse--if Jyggalag is Aedric, then he is actually a separate entity from his Daedric form--and by freeing him, the player actually does take on the role of Sheogorath.

This is mostly hypothetical, though, and is based on my assumption that the PC does in fact become a Daedra at the conclusion of SI.

Well, that could make allot of sense with Regards to Skyrim and Alduin as well.
If Sheogorath is the Daedroth to the Jygallags Aedra, then could Alduin be Akatosh's daedric incarnation? (a curse from somewhere?)

Jyggalag is the Daedric Prince of Order, No question about it.

Yes but the very concept of a Daedric Prince of Order is a juxtaposition if the Daedra are Padomaic.

Ah but he brings change in trying to create order. ;D

But thats not how it worked

If he was allowed to create the order and have it be left be, he would be fine. But due to the curse of Sheogorath after every greymarche he was replaced by the avatar of Sheogorath the mad god. Like some kind of sick joke on behalf of the Daedra.

The only reason I can see him being Padomaic, is because the greymarche in itself is destructive. But that could have purely been because of his contempt for the Curse of Sheogorath.

They cursed him as Sheogorath because he was becoming too powerful, obviously trying to impose order on them (them being the other Princes) so the curse was more like a preemptive.

Can you give me a source for this?

The only thing I have to go on was what Jyggalag said during the SI quest.
Which was a twisted jealousy on behalf of the other Daedra.

Because if what you say is true, then the results of the SI main quest has serious implications for all plains of Oblivion.
I wouldn't imagine Jyggalag being overly impressed with them.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Jyggalag

UESP is to be taken with a pinch of salt but I trust it.

Okay, fair enough.
But that doesn't say that he was a danger to the other Daedroth. Simply that they feared him and that he was powerful. So much so that they became jealous and cursed him out of spite.

To me he could easily be considered an Aedra or probably more accurately simply an Et'Ada. Not really aligned to either faction.

Why would they fear him if he wasn't or could possibly be a danger to the other Daedric Princes?

Do you fear every body who's bigger then you?

No. I fear those who could be a danger to me.

So why was Jyggalag a danger to the other Daedroth?

Sure he was powerful, but so was Mehrunes Dagon.

OK, OK. I guess I stirred up more than I meant to with my "Jyggalag is an Aedric spirit" thing. Let me rephrase.

Assuming that Jyggalag is indeed a Daedric Prince, this need not necessarily embody him as an agent of Padomay. Padomay's UESP article states that "most Daedric Princes, who are the Blood of Padomay and are the force of change" are Padomaic in nature, but that doesn't need to mean that Jyggalag was one of them. In fact, if he was, by some incredible fluke, an Anu-aligned Prince, that could easily explain the fear that the other Princes felt towards him, and the danger that they believed he represented--a threat towards the very nature of their existence as chaotic manifestations.

Nor does Jyggalag being a Daedra rule out the existence of Sheogorath as a distinct entity. If, again, we trust in comments made to the effect of "The Realm is Sheogorath, and Sheogorath is the Realm" by various NPCs in the Shivering Isles, it would follow that each Daedric Prince is very closely tied to his or her sphere of influence--so closely, in fact, that the two are in effect inseparable. The transformation of Jyggalag into Sheogorath, then, would in effect create an entirely new Daedric Prince, one whose sphere of influence is the direct opposite of Jyggalg's--the Prince of Madness. So when Jyggalag is freed by the Champion of Cyrodiil, I find it hard to believe that his freedom would remove Sheogorath from the equation as well. It's like being a king or an emperor--the position itself is, in some ways, more significant than who actually holds it at any given time.

Why do you think? By the sounds of it he was far more powerful than any other Prince and his ideology was the complete opposite of most of his brethren, Mehrunes Dagon isn't that far similar from Peryite, Malacath, Boethia or Molag Bal or any other Prince whereas Jyggalag is and they are in many ways what he hates - Madness, chaos etc.

Which gave them enough reason to believe he could very likely attack any of them and with his strength, most likely win. The curse was their form of Pearl Harbour in many ways.

that was martin using akatoshs power that was within the amulet of kings, he transformed into the avatar of akatosh. mehrunes dagon was kicking his ass until he put his guard down

Someone beat you to pointing that out.

Aedra not doing anything makes them even more godlike actually