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Huzzah indeed.

I'm still going to wait until it actually happens to believe they will get along without serious problems though. lol. But either way, at least the Thalmor are likely going down in the near future.

Ah, alright then, thanks. I know that they saw mortality as prison but not exactly how they view the correct way to escape it. Guess, I jump to conclusion too fast.

Even if it's just speculation, it makes more sense that "The Thalmor deleted the moons with magic and then pulled them out of the recycle bin" than " The moons just happened to disappear for two years".

Isn't this also the Pre-Dominion Altmeri/Bosmeri beliefs? I don't think we actually have a source on it, but it would make sense.

Ra'ga tend to be more "well, I'm not super happy about it, but we're stuck here so let's make the most of it", I think.

I still don't see why hammerfell has to ally with Skyrim though, if I remember right, Ulfric said that he has ask for help to hammerfell yet no progress. There's nothing to suggest that they're going to ally with each other. It's not like thalmor's goal is a public secret.

I wonder what would happen in High Rock if the Stormcloaks won and it was left isolated. If anyone needs the Empire, it's definitely High Rock, for the Bretons don't seem to have a very strong national identity like the Nords do that would serve as basis for unity during war.

People focus too much on the "escape Mundus" part of Altmeri culture in general. For most of Tamriel's history, they were perfectly content with sitting in Summerset. As a whole, the caste system is probably a more important aspect to focus on, though I'll be surprised (and disappointed) if it's not backed up by religion.

I think what we're all failing to see is that without Uriel Septim, the Empire is doomed.

Rest in peace, inventor of hair-restoring magicks.

It's High Rock.

The idea that they'll ally together proceeds naturally from the idea that, after a Stormcloak victory, both will have believed themselves betrayed by the empire and have resisted the WGC enough to break away. Not that such an alliance would be easy, especially since the Nords didn't help the redguard in their time of need. http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Lu%27ah%27s_Journal is probably suggestive of the pros and cons to this idea.

Kematu says the resistance against the Dominion is alive and well in Hammerfell. I'm guessing that regardless of who wins the civil war, Hammerfell may be able to be convinced to help fight the Dominion, if nothing else to strike a blow against their hated enemy.

Come on, we all know what will happen is that there will be a DLC where the Thalmor attack and the Dragonborn saves the day for everyone, regardless of whether s/he is imperial or stormcloak.

I think we focus on the "escape Mundus" part of Altmeri culture at the moment because there's a source out there telling us that this is the long-term plan of the Thalmor. You're right, the Altmer were productive citizens of the Septim Empire for 400 years and more, but as of right now the Thalmor control what the Altmer position on existence happens to be. We're not pointing the fingers at the Altmer as a race, but the Thalmor as a government. As far as I know, no one on this forum has advocated genocide against the Altmer (yet, anyway, because I figure that someone will have to say it now that I've said we won't).

Also, on the lore forum, it's no surprise that we discuss the creation of Mundus ad nauseum here. With the focus of most games put on either human races or, in the case of Morrowind, a mer race with no love lost toward the Altmer, it's not a surprise that most of our information regarding the Altmer comes from their ideas about creation and divinity. Creation is the one point where all races are connected, as they all came from that creation even if they have different ideas of how it came about, or what it really means.

Oh, right, sorry my mistake but still as you said an alliance would not be easy, I've no problem with stating that free-Skyrim may ally with hammerfell but I don't like it when people said it like it was a fact that they will ally.

Come on, we all know what will happen is that there will be a DLC where the Thalmor attack and the Dragonborn saves the day for everyone, regardless of whether s/he is imperial or stormcloak.

I would very much enjoy fighting the Thalmor. I am a Khaiit and joined the Empire because I didn't like Ulfric's hatred for non-Nords. I like Skyrim and call it home, I will not be kicked out.

Which, to me, unless there is some meaningful storyline development or choices to it, will be very very boring.

"Kill Thalmor, hurr hurr."

Haven't you seen every Skyrum site recently? All there is is requests for Thalmor massacre DLC.

Says alot about the community then I guess doesn't it?

Want deep meaningful storyline developments?

Nope. Get me sword and kill us some Thalmor. WHOOHOOO!

Well this is Skyrim.

Can't we have both?

I don't see a Thalmor massacre being all that useful anyway if the DLC is restricted to Skyrim territory (as it must be, unless my understanding of game creation is completely outdated). Just expelling the Thalmor isn't going to solve the overall problem of the threat they pose. Bringing the Stormcloaks to victory is enough to do that much anyway, isn't it? (I don't know personally, but I can't imagine that Ulfric would let them stay after he waged a war partly because of their interference.)

Sure, but I haven't exactly seen that suggested. All I've been hearing is:

"Boy can't wait for a DLC that just lets me chop off the head of Thalmor after Thalmor. I want to kill them all! Its gunna be sweet!"

Like I said, if there is some deep storyline development along with the killing, that's fine (ie. perhaps a delve into political intrigue and the Thalmor's inner workings). But if the entire premise of the DLC is going to be "Stop them evil Thalmor." That's just [censored].

I can't imagine a realistic defeat of the Thalmor that doesn't involve crippling their political machine. That's the secret to their success, after all.

Skyrim as a whole seems a bit cheap to me in terms of storyline, but the political situation was in my opinion extremely well done regardless of the game's other storyline faults. Whether or not a Thalmor DLC will fall on the side of cheap or exquisite could therefore go either way, as far as I can tell.

I'd like to see a new King rise up and take the throne of Cyrodiil. Someone to take no nonsense from the Thalmor. Someone the Nords will respect and follow (someone mightier and more wiser than Ulfric the bad).

*sigh*
I really, really hope that nothing comes out of that. The Thalmor should be handled in another game, and by handled, I mean actually approached and fleshed out (in Skyrim they're really overplayed as antagonists, making them more hilarious than intimidating, or realistic), instead of