Your point assumes that China had absolutely no growth between what we see present day (early 2000's) and up to the resource wars (2060's).
50 years of absolutely no growth just doesn't seem plausible. My idea is that Chinas interior could start becoming developed well before the resource wars- as it is doing now in our universe. Last time I checked China is still a communist led nation. And the second biggest superpower in the world. IN times of prosperity nations grow. If present day china in the Fallout Universe is anything like our presnt day, then there is definately money and infrastructure moving inland.

I think the reason everyone is so quick to compare China to end of WWII Germany is because we only come into knowing anything about China in the fallout universe during war times. We dont know what was going on in China prior to everything running out and even then we barely know anything about China. This is exactly why there is plenty of room for speculation on what had been going on in Chinas interior prior to the resource wars. We also can't just assume along the lines that all the ammo factories in your example were already along the coast to begin with. The coast is great for international trade. International being key. Cina has all of the resources it needs fro weapons production., A centralized ammo factory could reach most habitated reigions in China along the Yangtze much more efficiently, while remaining at least some land mass protection were they to be invaded. It also doesnt make any sense for all fortifications in China to be along one corner of that nation, leaving themselves exposed to Russia and other nations. Xinjiang, for instance has Chinas largest natural gas reserves. Leading up to the resource wars (years before), you now people saw it coming. There is no way it wouldnt be fortified in preparation, sitting so near the Russian border.. CHina also has the largest potential for hydro-electric anywhere in the world. Along its mountain ranges, far from the coast. At the mere mention of fuel runing out, well before they actually do, its is concievable that factories would be built to harness that power directly.

"In spite of many good harbors along the approximately 18,000-kilometer coastline, the nation has traditionally oriented itself not toward the sea but inland, developing as an imperial power whose center lay in the middle and lower reaches of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_River on the northern plains."

I dunno, I just dont think we can sum up what was going on in china based off of what little (and we know very little in the fallout universe) we know about such a small portion of that country.

Well what we can devise, is this: China, like the US, was a Super Power to be reckoned with. China was the only known nation strong enough to take on the US in almost every situation. I don't know where you got the idea I thought China had just stagnated for years, but obviously if it was the only Super Power known then to be a significant threat to the US, it wasn't stagnating. When China invaded Alaska, their economy wasn't stagnating. BUT, as is true during times of war, when a nation is being invaded, it's economy takes a serious hit to the groin (the only reason the US economy didn't, was because Alaska, although important enough to them, wasn't the heart of where their infrastructure was located), and all that matters is pumping out what's needed to fend off that invasion. That usually means doing what they can, with what they have left to protect themselves. After all, they were being invaded and were so quickly, and were as isolated from the rest of the world was from them, so it's not like they could get resources from other nations to help out in the war effort.

When Japan invaded China during WW2, it wasn't the inland that they took over, it was the coast where their infrastructure and energy was. Same goes for when Britain fought China decade earlier. All of China's modern history, has been along it's coastline because that's where things are the most centralized. I doubt Russia would be invading along the Russo-Chinese border, mainly because considering the ethnicities along the border, Russia would have it's hands full dealing with it's own internal issues. The asian part of Russia, would probably be fighting to break off or just be trying to get away from being apart of Russia, and all the while another war's going along the border that doesn't matter to them really. The Yangzte River, is in the heart of China, it's what keeps the coast running with easily supplied resources from the interior (they can just sail it right down.) Which is why it's probably one of the reasons the US military fought all the way to it, was so they could cut off supplies, among other things.

Which is what I was arguing would be the logic conclusion... Fact: The game doesn't tell us who launched first.. The Question should therefore be what possible reason would America have to initiate first strike.. (quoting the president... is an in game source, commentary, sort of an outside source, tells us we simply don't know)

after 10 year′s of war whit USA with PA, China most certainly had a PA program

And there you describe operation Barbarossa that will end in a Stalingrad at XXXXX -river


USA was landing in China mainland many year′s, not clear how many years but more then 4 at lest. but the info about what happened on China main land we cant trust sins its only the word from US government and army, we have no independent observer's or free media there. and its no Intel on whats was waiting behind the enemy line.... it′s very much propaganda filter on it so to say.

I dunno. I didn't say the whole of China became 'democratic', just the people that were in American when they lost - specifically those in Washington.

But yeah it would if China gained complete control of the States. As an invading force you tend not to invade somewhere, take control and then let it just continue as it was before your presence.

While I can agree with a nuance of the lore.. specifically concerning the Sino-American war.. and America's dominance in that conflict.
We know enough about China's weaponry and capabilities because what is in game to conclude what they were and were not capable of.
China not being able to produce power armor is supported by information in the games.
The stealth suit was their answer and though an effective anti personal and infiltration tool it was not an advantage towards PA or other infantry.

Longer supply lines and the Chinese ground conflict possibly being at a stalemate is entirely possible.
However we don't have any reliable source to know how well the war went for the Americans.. What we do know is that America made swift strides in China... but the lead of to the devastating events of 10/23/2077 is mostly a mystery..
Even what we know about the reclamation of Alaska is mostly questionable all we know is that America eventually succeeded in recapturing Alaska.

As for the invasion into China:
Timeline is http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Sino-American_War, and also supported by reliable sources (comments, eyewitnesses etc...)

Yes its hard to say how far China came on the PA program, that's hard to say. But they had a program and ppl working on it. And what other products they got from it ... who knows. ...

How good do you think the americans moral will be if they know anything about Chines PA progress? I think the propaganda machine filter away every thing about Chines PA and other heavy similar stuff, just lock at any propaganda film from WW2!

The USA would gain technological superiority. However problems at home ( plague, economy, food ) and an increasing demand for troops on the front lines would force them to push forward with FEV testing, and super mutants hiden within power armor would become necessary for protection at home and abroad. The government would become even more secretive and controlling in every aspect. Martial law becomes the new norm.

China gets hit hard, mass starvation and disease mean the main army is defeated, leaving the rest to flee/go into hiding. America is tasked with its occupation forces being attacked by guerilla forces daily. China essentially becomes a feudal, desolate land, it's remnants of power going underground.

Russia, still stuck as an under developed tech-wise, but strong industrial power becomes Americas greatest threat. Tensions rise on the East towards China and some Russian military leaders wish to destroy the now bickering EU whilst they are divided. Power becomes redistributed between generals after secret coups and political assassinations spread throughout its regions.

Mainland EU countries become anarchistic, with mass power shortages and thus food shortages on the rise, the governments break down.

Britain is granted certain iinsight nto the new fusion power the Americans have developed, through diplomacy and spying, becoming a target to what is left of the EU governments and Russia. Mass paranoia is spread by the government, creating the most thorough state controlled country in the world.

South America and Africa become intwined in the most devestating civil wars in history, completely redifining the power in both continents towards criminal profiteers and warlords.

The middle east is left for the most part a scorched wasteland due to nuclear fallout and the resource wars, a stark reminder of the potential destruction the US-China war could of brought.

China was a military and economic superpower, able to fully compete with the U.S. and was consistently portrayed as an equal or, in certain fields, even superior to America. For instance, China attempted to be the first to drill the last sources of petroleum in the world.

How does that make them superior in anyway
The oil they went after belonged to America, thus they had to invade Alaska to get it. This act doesn't make them superior, just greedy and ... chauvinistic/arrogant?
This act of "superiority" was quickly killed off when America launcher Operation: Anchorage to retake Alaska and advance into China.
From what is known about the War American troops had already entered China and taken a firm grip of it too, effectively winning the war (but not quite).
Then the nukes were launched. Probably by China in a last ditch effort to save themselves, like a dying mans last words, but it failed and they too were bombarded with nukes - creating the Great War.

- The most superior thing China had was the Advanced Stealth Suits MK.II which turned the wearer completely invisible.

this is the most possible chances nuke launching, if i missed some pleas tell so i can ad it....



It was a military and economic superpower, able to fully compete with the U.S. and was consistently portrayed as an equal or, in certain fields, even superior to America.
And if you think 11 years is a " quickly killed off when America launcher Operation: Anchorage to retake Alaska and advance into China." it was only the last 6 month of the war USA had control on Alaska .... at least what the propaganda tells, who knows what chine resources that still was operating. or that China had drain Alaska on oil 2076 and had no reason to stay in Alaska.....


Yes about the War American troops had already entered Vietnam and taken a firm grip of it too, effectively winning the war , but still their lost the war....

according to wikia China is a military and economic superpower, able to fully compete with the U.S. and was consistently portrayed as an equal or, in certain fields, even superior to America.

And the fact that they was in war in 11 years and maybe if not for the nuke-rain they cud maybe go in for another 11 years is a proof by it self that China was equal to USA...

This discussion is quickly turning into a weird one
Let me digress: My POV is: The Sino-American war was being won by the Americans, but with much more hardship and problems than we could know from the in game sources. Either nation could have launched first..
Military wise America most likely was the more powerful nation if the Great War had not happened..
However ... I sincerely doubt they would be able to occupy China in an effective manner. And both nations would be at a stalemate with the shortage of resources.

No on to ze replies..

Because the game doesn't tell us and doesn't show us.. There is no Chinese PA, and if there was we would have.. Prototypes and such would have been deployed .. in Alaska... Logic dictates this...

China or America launched first.. Every other option (so besides 1 and 2) is based on real life speculation and than applied to a gaming world fastly different from our own.
Europe was already gone and we have no clue whatsoever whether other nations were nuclear powers.
Let me stress again...
The sole reason for me to doubt America's smooth progress is the notion that we don't know who struck first in the nuclear exchange.
Logic dictates it should have been China.. so since it also could have been America there is a plethora of reasons why they did.. There is an unknown factor, the war didn't go as well as we are shown.., the war was at a stallmate and a badly informed nuclear attack was launched to "get the boys back before christmas" etc..
Fact is we don't know.. and except if someone will write detailed accounts on the events in mainland China (newsreels, chinese holotapes etc.)we will likely never know. Thus any and all we discuss is pure speculation... unless the games logic prevents us certain knowledge..There however facts which we do know, on which that speculation should be based.
In other words speculation about other nations,Chinese PA, FEV in other nations, vaults etc is either fantasy or not based on what the games (1 and 2 in particular) tell us..

Well put and on topic

Quite the the contrary, I am saying that China would have been booming in terms of growth bertween what we would condiser present day and the resource wars, and that some of that growth would be on the inland. I said that to assume that they wouldnt have factories inland would be to assume that they only tried to move inland during wartimes.
They also do not need to get resources friom other nations. China is one of the most resource rich countries on the planet. A quick wiki search will shouw all they have. Seeing as how the dicergence wasnt until this past century, I think it is safe to say they have materials they need for weapons manufacture in their interior.

It made sense for Japan and GB to attack port cities for two reasons.. The first is that there was international trade going on. During the Chinese invasion, there was no trade. I will agree that taking the mouth of the Yangtze is a good place to start anoffensive. But it is a battle and not the war.
The second is because places like Shanghia are easy to reach by boat, GB and Japan being seafaring nations makes sense for them to aproach from that angle, Japan cetainly isnt going to traverse the entire opposite way around the earth and cross Europe, the middle east and west asia to get to china.

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You mention resources running to coastal ports.
This is all for trade, or launching offensives.
It does not mean that there are no domestic product (goods that are not for export) factories or infrastructure upstream to begin with.
This is why I posted this quote and why I will post it again.
"In spite of many good harbors along the approximately 18,000-kilometer coastline, the nation has traditionally oriented itself not toward the sea but inland, developing as an imperial power whose center lay in the middle and lower reaches of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_River on the northern plains."

I will again sa that I agree that the US attacking the mouth of the Yangtze is a good strategy- if only becasue it is a way for US forces to get into the interior of China.
But its not the end all beat all, because we simply dont know what China has upstream in the interior aside from a lot of resources and more hydroelectric potential than any other nation on the planet.
Those two factors combined with growth prior to resource wars makes a very plausible case for factories inland.




As an aside, I was thinking about MAD last ngiht.
The reason that MAD is the scenario we would see is because of NATO. You couldnt just launch against one nation, because they have allies. So you have to also launch at their allies. and in turn those allies launch at you and your allies, ensuring the whole world is nuked.
I do not know that the climate of the Fallout universe would yeild the same results. This leads me back to wondering who actually struck fisrt. The narration and FB (see also omniscient) tells us we do not know, so it could be anyone. and not just the US or China.


And as a further aside.
What would the conomic implacts of the US not exporting any product after they shut their borders be?
I would think this would add fuel to the dis-satisfaction of the US nation.. If people were used to making things to sell elsewhere and suddenly didnt have jobs.. Thats quite the pickle, especially given inflation and the fact that the Govt wouldnt be able to provide as much welfare for citizens due to military and R&D projects sepending, which would be furthe exacerbated by those very same unemployed which need assistance not being able to pay taxed.

I know they were ont he verge of new tech that could have made things a lot easier. But what would the social climate really be like in the US if the nukes never launced?

It's obvious China would have to have been booming between sometime now, and the Great War, or obviously their economy wouldn't have been able to match that of the US, and apparently be the only one to truly do so. I never said otherwise. As for China and resources, yes, they have a lot, but the problem for them is getting it. In every case of economic boom, resources always take a big hit, as they're extracted more and more, quicker and quicker, to keep the boom going. China likely had this, and because of it, when the war broke out and they started putting resources into the war effort, that demand grew even more when it came to the need for producing bombers, fighters, guns, etc. There's a reason why resource wars were happening, because they were running out of the viably easy to get resources. China would have, just like the US and elsewhere, been struggling, even if it was just in their home nation and they weren't like Europe where they had to go somewhere else. It would have only been hit harder, when the US invaded as the US military would have most definitely gone for the infrastructure.

The Yellow River, with how viable that is, would have been a target for US takeover, along with obviously the Yangtze River. Anything they couldn't reach, would have been given up for bombing or sabotage, as has been the case for the US Military in wars prior and now.


It makes sense for the US as well, seeing how the coast, as I said, has a major industry infrastructure that China would need, and couldn't just give up to US invasion. By how the war sounds in the lore and games, they likely invaded the coast first, moved inland and up towards Beijing/Gobi Desert, as well towards the south to the Yangtze River. The Yellow River would have likely been a place for US operations, just like how the Mekong in Vietnam was, sending special forces up river for missions, and picking them up, etc. I'm sure that the same thing could be said for the Yangtze River once US troops got there and the fight for the Yangtze got underway. The amount of China the US spanned with just it's regular army, is vast and deep into the country. From the Gobi Desert, down to the Yangtze, is not something other nations had done before. It's definitely not just the mouth of those rivers either.



Like I said above, the amount of China taken over by the US, would be far more than just the mouths of the Yellow or Yangtze River, they would be inland too, more so than you seem to think. With how deep the US had situated itself, the war was going bad regardless, and China's infrastructure would be lacking as much as Germany's in WW2. Before Germany started WW2, they had a great boom of economy as well, and by 1943, they were starting to move the Luftwaffe to places like the Rhineland and other places where major infrastructure was, because that's what was under attack the most, and it was the most vital for them to protect. When it comes to the case of China, the US could be battling them along the Yangtze all they liked, they could hold them there all they liked, all the while their bombers and special forces, could go up river or across the river, whatever it may be, and bomb and sabotage the factories, etc. Add in hydro-dams, or whatever else China might possibly have as a source of energy, and you can guarantee that was bombed or sabotaged if they US couldn't reach it themselves.

As I said, agree that starting at the Yangtze was a smart move and would give them an advantage of moving up the river. We definately agree on that, though not for all the same reasons.
I just dont share the opinion that Shanghai would be "the" place to hit China the hardest, or that it was where the most infrastructure was.. Iffrastructure can mean a lot of things. Mostly the port cities have international shipping infrastructure, which I have tried to point out numberous times, is fairly moot for our conversation purposes.
Now if you want to talk State run infrastructure, you have a whole lot that is already in the interior in our timeline.
There is a big unknown factor, and I ccan't just discount it.


I also still cant buy the germany WWII comparisons. I know It's a popular war to talk about, but its not comparable.
allied forces, different geography, differing possible fronts of attack and much different tech- anti aircraft for starrers has made leaps and bounds. Another thing is that WWII was a war that the people could get behind. People.. Kids.. would colect scrap for the war efforts.. People really stepped it up.
Things werent going well at home in the US during the Chinese invasion and the US Govt was part of that problem.

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Grab another look at the Timeline linkThor posted in this thread. The game pretty much says they were fairly evenly matched.

You know there's more to China's coast, that just Shanghai. You keep getting hung up on Shanghai, as if it's the only place that is meaningful on the coast. It's the best know, simply for the historical fact of British dealings there, and of course Japan's business there, which in the end made it one of the more pronounced, but still there are other places. Shanghai is no different than other port cities, and I could choose from dozens of others, to replace Shanghai with. You're the one hung up on saying Shanghai was the point to hit China the hardest, I am not. In fact, I never even mentioned any specific coastal city. And again, I wasn't the one to bring up the international infrastructure along the coast, that was you, I was just ever talking about the military infrastructure that's there, and was quite a bit there in the '50s.




If you can't get the Germany WW2 comparison because of being hung up on the geography and other frankly meaningless bits, how about Vietnam then? During that entire war, the US and ARVN forces, were simply holding back the NVA from running down to Saigon. All the while, B-52s were cruising over miles to bomb Hanoi and other major centers of industry. They went up against plenty of AA fire over Hanoi and other places. That was similar to probably how it is in the Fallout Universe, if you can't get the WW2 example. Again, it was all about bombing industrial infrastructure, to knock out the NVA from moving down to the South.

And yes, I already knew that China was evenly matched to the US, I mentioned it at the very beginning of that very post you quoted. But that was when they were in Alaska, not when they were being invaded, and cut down by PA troops, and other things. By the time of the US invasion, China was obviously hurting a lot because they couldn't even defend their own homeland properly.

From a real world standpoint. A realistic ocupation of China could very well happen.... but... there are some real world mechanics we can project to the FO world 1. PA is regarded as high tech weaponry, therefor expensive to produce and on a grand (China vs America) scale would not make the overwhelming impact it allegedly had in the Sino-American war.
2. Take a look, a realistic look at the theatre of war as is drawn by the game. There are at least two fronts in China.., 1. The Yangtze front 2. The Gobi desert.
The Gobi desert from a miltary standpoint is easy to occupy and control. The Yanghtze almost screams trouble. It would give Chinese forces an enormous advantage.. (especially with dedicated anti personal units like the dragon assassins) This front line has a few problems.. First it is extremely easy to use a retreat and flank tactic towards the Americans.. 2. Extremely long supply lines would become a severe problem for the Americans... (resources) and even atomic powered vehicles need manpower and maintenance.

In other words:
Realistically America's victory would likely never be long term. Supply lines, manpower and resources would lead to stagnation of their war effort. Even though America's government(s) are shown to be more oppression than its real world counterparts... An aggressive near guerrilla tactic could very well shift the tide.. Complete control of China by American forces simply is not that feasible.. even with superior air support.

If the Great War had never taken place, then as it's already been discussed, a lot of things would have changed for America. New energy sources would have come out, as they were going to, but were obviously halted by the Great War so nobody got to see those new energy systems come to fruition. The war in China, would have gone on to be an American victory for sure, if the new energies would have been used.

Also, a desert is not even close to being easier to occupy and control, than along a river or near a river. Trust me on that, I spent a little more than half a decade in a desert, and realized how hard it is to try and control how things are moved by an enemy when there's so much empty places to move. In a desert, you have to not only put your troops where they can be easily supplied, or relatively supplied, but you also have to realize that where you're placing your troops, it's also where the enemy is the most likely to come through since they too can't just go out into the desert and that be it, you're both scattered amongst the sand dunes and empty land unable to do anything. So you move your forces closer to places like cities, towns, and places of water that can easily be controlled to fight better. It's easier by far, to control an enemy back near a river, than it is a desert because of those reasons and because it's obviously a different mindset of fighting.

Realistically as well, it's been known that guerrilla warfare isn't necessarily all that effect against a well sourced enemy. Although they'd like you to think otherwise, when Vietnam was going on, the Viet Cong weren't all that effective if you look into it. Psychologically in some ways, yes, because of their various tunnels and whatnot that were rigged to blow, and other traps, but when the Tet Offensive happened, that really was the point of the war that broke the back of the Viet Cong as a dependable fighting force for the NVA who was doing more than the Viet Cong ever was in the war. During WW2, the various resistance groups across Europe to fight the Germans, weren't really that effective either.

And I never said the US's goal was to control all of China, it really wouldn't be that feasible to do so.

We can discuss it all we want... We simply wouldn't know.. We are living in an American setting with American History.
Realistically, America single handily winning over China, without any doubt is not that realistic..
Apart from Bejing there aren't that many cities near or in the Gobi desert.. Taken its geography.... It would not be that difficult (unlike present day trouble area's like Afghanistan or Iraq) to control that area.
If air support is prevalent like suggested the area would be very easy to control for the US.

In general it would... but the yangtze is thousands of miles long with thousands of miles of land surrounding it. It would be a strategically interesting line to take. But given the fastness of a country like China (near the size of a continent) it would be very hard to keep.. that line... Apart from the coastal regions in the east it would be nearly impossible to controll. (Flanking) the river away from the coast...(shanghai)

It would be part of Chinese tactics.. and would be effective....
Anti Personal warfare had been proven to be effective both as a promotional tool as well as a demoralizing tool.
Nearly every war since WW II has shown aspects of this.

Fact: The Tet Offensive from a military standpoint was not even that successful..In sheer numbers America won 'Nam... It was this offensive..and its media coverage which influenced the conflicts outcome..
They weren't... indeed... But WW II also showed us that supply lines are important.
- Pattons march into Germany was halted because supplies were deverted to operation Market Garden.
- The Stalingrad fiasco in operation Barbarossa.. was for a large part influenced by the fact that the supply line was way too long with such a narrow corridor.
- Numbers and miltary strength don't mean that much...
Germany managed to hold of Britsh and American forces in Arnhem because of bad planning and intelligence... and also showing that a small corridor will not be an advantage. (market garden)
- Battle of the Bulge: Superior numbers and equipment had a very hard time fighting with a well organized opponent.
For the record nor do I, but even keeping large parts of China is not that feasible...

America becomes top world power with tech from Dead Money and OWB. They take over the world, reach space, encounter alien civilizations and then the REAPERS or the UR-QUAN come to destroy us!!!

Realistically, yes, it would be unrealistic for US troops to go to china and try to take it over by themselves. But for Fallout and the various technology we don't have that they do, it's not as hard as it would be realistically. Plus, it's a point in the game's lore to show us that the US was this (Super) Super Power, before everything went to hell.


A military doesn't have to span it's troops across an entire river, to control it. Again, there could be river boats like we saw in Vietnam, going up and down them, patrolling for any possible hostile actions. There would be special forces likely going up and down the river to and from missions, handling the enemy where the rest of the military couldn't. And again, there's also airpower which is a key thing for any US military operation, and one of the first things the US military does, is establish air superiority.


So anti-personnel warfare is effective against the US, yet the US cutting through Chinese forces like they were, taking them down to the Yangtze, would not be a promotional or demoralizing tool, and not as effective on China? It's the same thing, just reversed, and we know that the US was winning on that front.


Yeah, they're important regardless of what war you use as an example. But if you take a look at the amount of land, these supply lines would be passing through in China, they're much larger than in Belgium, Stalingrad, etc. during WW2. The amount of land taken from China, by the US, would be significant enough to have little problem with supplies. The US would likely have forced stationed from the Gobi, down to the Yangtze, and the amount of land that leads between them, is vast and wide and has plenty of places someone could move supplies of various kinds, through without getting too hassled by the enemy.

Gas and oil would still be gone soon and the world would have to be forced to run on either energy cells or renewable energy. Space exploration would be a priority and Mars would probably be in the process of being terraformed with G.E.C.K.s and the moon would most likely have bases on it. Newer metals and alloys would be created and the world population would probably have almost doubled. By now, a cure for cancer probably came about from the researchers of Big Mountain. A perfected super soldier would now have been created by Mariposa and the world would be better off.

You and Styles are making assumptions based on the lore..
Both me and Cannibal are not disagreeing the Sino-American war happened and was mainly a success... We are questioning if went as smoothly as the in game sources said it did.
And China was also labeled as a superpower..
Riverboats in Nam were only effective in guarding the waterway itself.
Deployment of Special Forces would not be effective if Chinese forces used stealth for quick attacks and than retreated in the mainlands..
Air superiority is indeed key in defeating an opponent and keep control over occupied territory... however maintaining air superiority would be incredibly taxing on the already dwindling resources..

I am simply laying down a tactic.. Whether or not it happened or was successful I don't know.. We only know America was winning until the great war.. and what is known from their own military sources.

This is purely based on assumptions, to be honest so is everything I am saying.. but since we don't know how excactly how American forces were keeping the lines open, how well they were spread etc.. does not make it so that the supply lines are easy to maintain.
Maintaining supply lines is a tricky process in every war.. the fastness of China's landmass which you label as an advantage is as much, if not more a disadvantage.

Well I'm thinking that the Resource Wars would've ended if they just started visiting the old oil fields that were supposedly "dry"... Considering old oil fields from when we first started mining for oil are actually refilling here in America so really there would be no "Resource War" if it was realistic but it's a game and it's a good story, who needs realism?

well its not Iraq and afghanistan USA are hammering its china, more compared whit USSR at 1955 ... It must be extremely hard to establish air superiority and as longer the supply lines on enemy territory you gear the more cost it tack for to get to the front. ex do you know how many % off the German gas and supply ended in the front? spec in Africa and soviet, think it was only 5-10%, ....
Partisans will pop-up every wear behind the enemy line and USA cant do anything about it...


we don't know how big part of china was occupied, we done even know how big china was during the war, they cud be the hole Asia minus USSR and and controlled the hole pacific ... USA must have a major problem to supply their tropes.

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And the PA china used had the stealth tech on them so its hard to report something you cant see! and even if they did ... that info wold never come to the American public anyway so that way its no in game info about it... after all they was only used in china and manby in Alaska, no need to use them on US mainland...