The Gun Runner's Arsenal PredictionSpeculation Thread : Fallout: New Vegas

» Wed May 09, 2012 1:58 am

I agree with this, the LAER isnt that useful needing all the repairs and such.

I was gonna say the LAER, but that thing is like made of glass...

» Wed May 09, 2012 8:37 am

I'd like to point out that Fallout isn't like reality. I don't know how people treated and felt for guns in the 1950's, but I feel that it would be something similar, and I don' think they were big on owning guns from a decade ago.

That would be the big problem with all old guns. That is why the Gun Runner's makes their own.

I also don't know the availability of schematics for any old gun for the gun runners to be using.

Well, in the United States, in the 1950's you had millions of men who had just been through three large wars and countless smaller deployments (like Haiti or Nicaraua) that had extensive knowledge and experience with firearms. This was long, long before today's modern gun control. Most folks who own guns treat them properly and care for them. They ain't cheap so you don't do stupid things with them. If they're properly cleaned and stored, they'll remain in fine condition for a very long time. There is also all the milsurp stuff out there that had/has been packaged for long term storage. Anyone that's ever bought a surplus weapon will know what I'm talking about since they had to spend hours cleaning all the cosmoline protectant off of it.

As far as design drawings, you can easily make your own buy reverse engineering an existing weapon.

-gunny out.

» Tue May 08, 2012 11:07 pm

I was gonna say the LAER, but that thing is like made of glass...

Fancy Glass.
Not that double glazing stuff!
:lol:

» Wed May 09, 2012 6:22 am

Well, in the United States, in the 1950's you had millions of men who had just been through three large wars and countless smaller deployments (like Haiti or Nicaraua) that had extensive knowledge and experience with firearms. This was long, long before today's modern gun control. Most folks who own guns treat them properly and care for them. They ain't cheap so you don't do stupid things with them. If they're properly cleaned and stored, they'll remain in fine condition for a very long time. There is also all the milsurp stuff out there that had/has been packaged for long term storage. Anyone that's ever bought a surplus weapon will know what I'm talking about since they had to spend hours cleaning all the cosmoline protectant off of it.

As far as design drawings, you can easily make your own buy reverse engineering an existing weapon.

-gunny out.

With the mosin-nagant I was figuring the general populance would go, ewww communism.

I'm not sure if fallout people are smart enough to do that, with their common sense and all.

» Wed May 09, 2012 1:31 am

With the mosin-nagant I was figuring the general populance would go, ewww communism.

I'm not sure if fallout people are smart enough to do that, with their common sense and all.

Mosin's were around long before communism. A good rifle's a good rifle. As long as they were getting imported, they would sell. Some of the Mosin's I've seen look rough as hell, but they shoot nice. They e'splode coconuts real nice.

-Gunny out.

» Wed May 09, 2012 12:17 am

Mosin's were around long before communism. A good rifle's a good rifle. As long as they were getting imported, they would sell. Some of the Mosin's I've seen look rough as hell, but they shoot nice. They e'splode coconuts real nice.

-Gunny out.

Coming out of WWII and the rifle that was extensively used by a communist country. Anything from Russia would most likely be seen as communist.

EDIT: ^ That sounds confusing

» Wed May 09, 2012 9:52 am

Coming out of WWII and the rifle that was extensively used by a communist country. Anything from Russia would most likely be seen as communist.

Maybe so. There were a decent number of Mosins that were made by US factories that were sold off by the CMP between the wars. The first imported Mosins, if I recall correctly, were Finnish, which generally have much better, ugh, pardon the pun, finish, than Russian ones. They started to come over in the 60s. Those rifles, if they were imported in the FO world would not have had the "communist" stigma one them. It's only recently that massive ammounts of soviet rifles and carbines have made their way over. They're so abundant, you can pick one up for about $100.

-Gunny out.

» Tue May 08, 2012 7:17 pm

Maybe so. There were a decent number of Mosins that were made by US factories that were sold off by the CMP between the wars.

Both Remington and New England Westinghouse made hundreds of thousands of them for the Tsar in WW1, very few were delivered. After the war DCM (the ancestor of CMP) sold them to the public for pennies on the dollar. US ammo makers loaded 7.62x54R for them until the late '40s.

The first imported Mosins, if I recall correctly, were Finnish, which generally have much better, ugh, pardon the pun, finish, than Russian ones. They started to come over in the 60s.

The Finns couldn't afford to design a new rifle so they standardized on the Moisin, which they had plenty of. They never made thier own receivers....they would take captured Russian Mosins apart and build new rifles around the receiver. Fit and finish is definitely better, and they tend to be considerably more accurate...especially the M28 and M28/30 rifles made for the SY (Civil Guard). If you want a Mosin that will astound you, get a 28/30. The Finnish rifles are a lot rarer than the Russian imports coming in now.

Those rifles, if they were imported in the FO world would not have had the "communist" stigma one them. It's only recently that massive ammounts of soviet rifles and carbines have made their way over. They're so abundant, you can pick one up for about $100.

-Gunny out.

The avalanche started when the USSR went belly up. The Democrats banned all the best stuff, like Makarovs and Dragunovs. There are also some neet items, like the 7.62x54R Winchester 95s military muskets made for the Tsar in WW1 that will probably never be imported because the Russians are asking too much for them.

» Wed May 09, 2012 12:09 am

Maybe so. There were a decent number of Mosins that were made by US factories that were sold off by the CMP between the wars. The first imported Mosins, if I recall correctly, were Finnish, which generally have much better, ugh, pardon the pun, finish, than Russian ones. They started to come over in the 60s. Those rifles, if they were imported in the FO world would not have had the "communist" stigma one them. It's only recently that massive ammounts of soviet rifles and carbines have made their way over. They're so abundant, you can pick one up for about $100.

-Gunny out.

But since the Fallout timeline seems to split right around the 50's to 60's that might never have happened. So who knows any bolt action rifle in the game would be good, I would just prefer the springfield.

» Wed May 09, 2012 6:48 am

I agree, and this is the main problem with guns like MG42 or a PPSH-41.

I think of the Fallout world is like us in the 50's, except they never got out of that stage (Cold War Tense-y). So I highly doubt you would find a good amount of Soviet weapons spread across the states, and survive the nuclear war + ~200 years. It's such a low chance that it would just be ridiculous if it showed up in-game. I guess I could understand a museum (but uh, "Weapons Museum" doesn't attract Raiders or anything... :whistling:

) that had the weapon, but that's still a bit of a stretch.

Thisi s a diverted timeline.

So I really see no problem. and they are just weapon designs, easily copied.

» Wed May 09, 2012 1:43 am

Thisi s a diverted timeline.

So I really see no problem. and they are just weapon designs, easily copied.

Americans in the Fallout world have no reason to copy the weapon designs of COMMUNISTS!

But seriously, I don't get what you're arguing. I'm aware there is a diverted timeline, but that doesn't increase the chance of availability in 2281. Americans in the Fallout world would just stick to their own weapon designs, kind of like: "We can show those damn Soviets that our guns are much better!".

» Wed May 09, 2012 9:54 am

Americans in the Fallout world have no reason to copy the weapon designs of COMMUNISTS!

But seriously, I don't get what you're arguing. I'm aware there is a diverted timeline, but that doesn't increase the chance of availability in 2281. Americans in the Fallout world would just stick to their own weapon designs, kind of like: "We can show those damn Soviets that our guns are much better!".

Yeah like the PHS-esque combat shotgun.

» Wed May 09, 2012 5:06 am

Americans in the Fallout world have no reason to copy the weapon designs of COMMUNISTS!

But seriously, I don't get what you're arguing. I'm aware there is a diverted timeline, but that doesn't increase the chance of availability in 2281. Americans in the Fallout world would just stick to their own weapon designs, kind of like: "We can show those damn Soviets that our guns are much better!".

The US has long been a dumping ground for obsolete military weapons....between collectors, target shooters, and thrifty people looking for a cheap hunting rifle there was a lot of money in it for importers and surplus dealers.

» Wed May 09, 2012 10:07 am

So maybe we'll get a .50 M2 Browning. except it would need a tripod...and there's no animation for it. Then again we can shoulder fire the AMR so...

» Wed May 09, 2012 5:08 am

So maybe we'll get a .50 M2 Browning. except it would need a tripod...and there's no animation for it. Then again we can shoulder fire the AMR so...

It has to be called "The Screaming Eagle"!

» Wed May 09, 2012 5:20 am

How about a unique gatling laser... I miss vengeance. :sadvaultboy:

I would also like to have a unique Ranger Sequoia that doesn't have NRC propaganda on it.

» Wed May 09, 2012 12:07 am

How about a unique gatling laser... I miss vengeance. :sadvaultboy:

I would also like to have a unique Ranger Sequoia that doesn't have NRC propaganda on it.

A unique service rifle and assault carbine

» Tue May 08, 2012 11:49 pm

A unique service rifle

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Survivalist%27s_rifle
And
http://www.formspring.me/JESawyer/q/234734593201155114

» Tue May 08, 2012 10:19 pm

I agree, and this is the main problem with guns like MG42 or a PPSH-41.

I think of the Fallout world is like us in the 50's, except they never got out of that stage (Cold War Tense-y).

The Chinese could have made a modernized version of the ppsh41 or ppsh43 and than later being found in the hands of the communist resistance in the USA.

My question for all gun nuts here, what is in general considered the best rifle of these, the kar98k, mosin-nagant, springfield or the endfield?

» Tue May 08, 2012 5:42 pm

The Chinese could have made a modernized version of the ppsh41 or ppsh43 and than later being found in the hands of the communist resistance in the USA.

My question for all gun nuts here, what is in general considered the best rifle of these, the kar98k, mosin-nagant, springfield or the endfield?

My pesonal preference is the Mosin.
Just 'cause of that Finnish Sniper in WW-2 who killed over 100 russian soldiers using only iron sights.

» Tue May 08, 2012 9:16 pm

i REALLY want a unique anti-material rifle
thats my go-to weap in 90% of all situations in NV, and a unique one would rock my socks off

» Wed May 09, 2012 9:28 am

So maybe we'll get a .50 M2 Browning. except it would need a tripod...and there's no animation for it. Then again we can shoulder fire the AMR so...

Simple patch:

When you fire the AMR standing up without 9+ Str you will have a knockdown animation every time you fire it, in crouch your good to go though.

Legend - The White Death.

» Wed May 09, 2012 3:49 am

I think their might be some old Fallout 1 and 2 weapons such as the:
Pulse Rifle/Pistol http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Pulse_rifle
Desert Eagle
FN FAL http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/FN_FAL_%28Fallout_2%29
PPK12 Gauss pistol
XL70E3 http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/XL70E3_%28Fallout_2%29
Pancor Jackhammer http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Pancor_Jackhammer_%28Fallout_2%29

All of these weapons were probably made by the gun runners (same location and time) and wouldn't be hard to move across a state. The Bozar is, why not these?

» Wed May 09, 2012 8:23 am

Correct me if im wrong but didnt i read somewhere that some weapons will be the same just say GRA after so new mods can be put on it since they cant put new mods for original weapons? For example there might be an assault carbine GRA which has the same stats just the ability for a silencer because thats what i would like.

» Wed May 09, 2012 12:48 am

Correct me if im wrong but didnt i read somewhere that some weapons will be the same just say GRA after so new mods can be put on it since they cant put new mods for original weapons? For example there might be an assault carbine GRA which has the same stats just the ability for a silencer because thats what i would like.

It seems that "This Machine" and "That Gun" will both get a generic version. If they had an Assault Carbine, it wouldn't be new now would it? :thumbsup: