The Heart of Lorkhan lives : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:17 pm

Forgive me if this has been brought up already but I was doing the MQ and got to the part with Septimus and he talks about the Dwemer Lockbox locked in the ice and how it contains "The heart, the bane of Korganec and Dagoth Ur" and how "Someone, somehow in irony used Dwemer items on it"
So what do you think, is the heart in Skyrim now, and isn't it odd their are so many references to Morrowind [Moreso then in Oblivion]. With Keening and the Dwemer being in the game I'm seeing a Morrowind[The game] centered DLC in the future

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:04 pm

Finish the quest. Things aren't always how crazy people think they are.

As far as more Morrowind references: Hell to the yes. Not quite sure if they're just trying to make Skyrim awesome by reminding us how awesome Morrowind was everywhere, but I think it works, regardless.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:56 pm

Where did people come across Keening? Is that related to the Thieves Guild or Dark Brotherhood quests?

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:47 pm

I guess it's possible, though I also guess it could have something to do with Solstheim (which is an island off of Skyrim/Morrowind and is the main area for the Bloodmoon expansion for Morrowind - which I STILL haven't completed yet haha). Forgive me if I'm wrong, as I'm rather rusty on my lore from the first 3 main TES games

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:24 am

Where did people come across Keening? Is that related to the Thieves Guild or Dark Brotherhood quests?

Mage's Guild... er, College of Winterhold*. Some A-name's Endeavor set of quests.

Honestly, it's actually a more exciting chain of events than the College's main quest set.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:56 am

Mage's Guild... er, College of Winterhold*. Some A-name's Endeavor set of quests.

Honestly, it's actually a more exciting chain of events than the College's main quest set.

Hmm. Maybe I should return to the Mage's Guild to find that quest. I thought I had completely mined that place dry, except for repeatable quests given by the librarian...

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:14 am

Yeah, I'm sure we'll get the continuation of Vivec's and the Nerevarine's story in the next expansion, Tribumoon Isles of the Nine.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:03 am

Where did people come across Keening? Is that related to the Thieves Guild or Dark Brotherhood quests?

Winterhold sidequest.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:47 pm

Mage's Guild... er, College of Winterhold*. Some A-name's Endeavor set of quests.

Honestly, it's actually a more exciting chain of events than the College's main quest set.

Yea, the College main quest was lackluster all around. They should have taken all the quests available at the College and strung them into one long questline, rather than having a half-dozen small quests (to include the central quest).

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:47 am

Forgive me if this has been brought up already but I was doing the MQ and got to the part with Septimus and he talks about the Dwemer Lockbox locked in the ice and how it contains "The heart, the bane of Korganec and Dagoth Ur" and how "Someone, somehow in irony used Dwemer items on it"
So what do you think, is the heart in Skyrim now, and isn't it odd their are so many references to Morrowind [Moreso then in Oblivion]. With Keening and the Dwemer being in the game I'm seeing a Morrowind[The game] centered DLC in the future

Yes! I was beyond excitement when Septimus told me that within the box was the heart of the world. The heart of you, and of me. Huge let down when the box was opened (well not huge, per se) but I hope to the gods they expound on this interaction in some of the DLC.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:11 am

Well it wasn't the heart, but why would Septimus think it was I wonder..... A lie from Mora?

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:16 pm

Well it wasn't the heart, but why would Septimus think it was I wonder..... A lie from Mora?

That was my understanding. Herma Mora was lying to him to get him to help open the box. Granted I'm not sure why he couldn't have just told him what was actually in the box, I imagine most people would still be eager to get inside.

Of course my biggest wonder is just what the hell that box was doing there in the first place, what it was made for, and why the 'eff it has that item in it at all (as in, how'd it get there).

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:38 am

Yes! I was beyond excitement when Septimus told me that within the box was the heart of the world. The heart of you, and of me. Huge let down when the box was opened (well not huge, per se) but I hope to the gods they expound on this interaction in some of the DLC.

Yes, but even if the Heart was not in that box, the implication still is that a wise and learned man, specialised in the subject, was convinced the Heart was to be found in Tamriel.
Herma Mora could have guided him to the wrong solution, but I think only to the right question.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:05 am

Yes, but even if the Heart was not in that box, the implication still is that a wise and learned man, specialised in the subject, was convinced the Heart was to be found in Tamriel.

Well wouldn't you be too if the Daedric Prince of knowledge told you it was?

Besides maybe it was just me but Septimus came off as a little quirky when I spoke with him. I think Herma Mora was being a deceitful [censored] all around (afterall he wanted you to kill the guy for no real reason)...

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:57 am

That was my understanding. Herma Mora was lying to him to get him to help open the box. Granted I'm not sure why he couldn't have just told him what was actually in the box, I imagine most people would still be eager to get inside.

Of course my biggest wonder is just what the hell that box was doing there in the first place, what is was made for, and why the 'eff it has that item in it at all (as in, how'd it get there).

It seems to me, thought it is very possible I'm mistaken, that Herma Mora is not the lying type. He prefers secrets, uses them as a currency almost. It seems likely to me that he was misinformed, or even swindled. Perhaps the Heart was moved from the box by agencies unknown.

Do you remember exactly what Septimus said? I've only done started that quest, and only once, but I seem to remember him attributing the Heart's relocation to Vivec's disappearance.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:57 am

Do you remember exactly what Septimus said? I've only done started that quest, and only once, but I seem to remember him attributing the Heart's relocation to Vivec's disappearance.

I really don't remember what he said exactly, that was about a week ago and I was probably in the midst of one of many 20+hr playing sessions with little sleep...

Not sure why you draw some dichotomy against Herma Mora being a lying type, and yet cede that he misinformed and swindled his servant. Misinforming and swindling really just seem like elegant words for lying in his instance.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:27 pm

That was probably the biggest disappointment in the whole game for me. I will curse Hermaeus Mora forever, and he used to be my favourite Daedric Prince.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:37 am

I really don't remember what he said exactly, that was about a week ago and I was probably in the midst of one of many 20+hr playing sessions with little sleep...

Not sure why you draw some dichotomy against Herma Mora being a lying type, and yet cede that he misinformed and swindled his servant. Misinforming and swindling really just seem like elegant words for lying in his instance.

I meant Herma Mora may have been misinformed himself, though it might be silly of me to assume that just because his sphere is secrets that he wouldn't lie to manipulate mortals.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 12:44 pm

I meant Herma Mora may have been misinformed himself, though it might be silly of me to assume that just because his sphere is secrets that he wouldn't lie to manipulate mortals.

The Master of Secrets cannot be misinformed.

What may have happened, and what would seem to me like a terribly funny joke if you were Herma, is that he told the Imperial the exact and literal truth which led him to believe something false.
Mythology is full of spirits, demons and suchlike that say what turns out to be the exact truth, only in a way that is apparent to the recepient of that truth when its too late.
The Oracle of Delphi comes to mind.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 11:48 am

That was probably the biggest disappointment in the whole game for me. I will curse Hermaeus Mora forever, and he used to be my favourite Daedric Prince.

Here here. I remember my mind fluttering with possibilities and in anticipation of what rediscovering the Heart of Lorkhan would mean to the story and to the series in general. Every time I harvested the blood of an Elf, my heart swelled with excitement. And then...complete and utter disappointment. Why Herma-Mora, why? You couldn't have told him it was...anything else? An Elder Scroll? A sweetroll? Anything? It had to be the Heart of the World?!

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:00 pm

Actually it made quiet some sense the heart wasn't in it.. it would have been stupid...
I mean... a whole Game and Province's History was centered around that thing.. and then it would have been implented as being locked in a frozen glacier in skyrim and only be sought by a crazy wizard?

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 2:37 pm

I imagine the box was more like a beacon for the book, or had some cross world magnetism that brought the book to it. But yeh, Good joke on Mora's part.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:50 am

What is the significance of this book? What do I do with it? I found it, and I don't know if there's anything else to do with it besides sell it.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:46 am

What is the significance of this book? What do I do with it? I found it, and I don't know if there's anything else to do with it besides sell it.

The Oghma Infinium?

Pick your path, get free knowledge. It's one of the most useful artifacts in the game.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 5:29 am

What is the significance of this book? What do I do with it? I found it, and I don't know if there's anything else to do with it besides sell it.

You read it, and it gives you a bonus to some attributes. Then it dissapears.

Herma Mora is just a massive troll sometimes.