The Heart of Lorkhan : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:27 pm

"But when Trinimac and Auriel tried to destroy the Heart of Lorkhan it laughed at them. It said, "This Heart is the heart of the world, for one was made to satisfy the other." So Auriel fastened the thing to an arrow and let it fly long into the sea, where no aspect of the new world may ever find it." ? The Monomyth

Is it possible that the Heart of Lorkhan created the island of Vardenfell?

» Sun Jun 27, 2010 2:05 am

I've sometimes wondered if the Dwemer's meddling with the Heart caused the erupution. Or if they deliberately did it when the War of the First Council began.

» Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:36 am

Is it possible that the Heart of Lorkhan created the island of Vardenfell?

Yes. The Heart lands in the ocean, its energies cause the ocean floor to rise up and form a volcano, you end up with Vvardenfell...

» Sat Jun 26, 2010 7:13 pm

Why would the Dwemer blacken all of Vvardenfell and a significant chunk of their civilization? be aware that a Faction was the cause of the Dwemeri downfall (For possessing the heart) not all of the people.

» Sat Jun 26, 2010 5:02 pm

Is it possible that the Heart of Lorkhan created the island of Vardenfell?

The heart -- in my opinion holds a constant, magically resupplying nuclear fission, but that's besides the point -- Is a amazing power-source. It's heat could have easily evaporated away much of the ocean outside of Morrowind. Perhaps with the release of pressure, Magma broke through Nirn's crust, and created Vvardenfell. All we know about it is that first there was the heart in Sep and no Vvardenfell, and then the heart was out of Lorkhaj andthere was Vvardenfell

I've started using the obscure names for all the gods.

» Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:54 am

If by obscure you mean "not known by those three people who haven't glanced at 'Varieties of Faith...'"

It can confuse some people when you start using different names for the same person, especially in the same sentence. Plus, well...it makes you look arrogant too. Be honest: you'd want to stab me in the neck for my pretentiosity if I started talking about Lyg using one name and then call him Stormcrown in the very same sentence wouldnt you?

Yeah...exactly.

» Sat Jun 26, 2010 8:55 pm

If by obscure you mean "not known by those three people who haven't glanced at 'Varieties of Faith...'"

It can confuse some people when you start using different names for the same person, especially in the same sentence. Plus, well...it makes you look arrogant too. Be honest: you'd want to stab me in the neck for my pretentiosity if I started talking about Lyg using one name and then call him Stormcrown in the very same sentence wouldnt you?

Yeah...exactly.

I like messing with people. stop being a n'wah, Skatakal (he svcks everything up)

» Sat Jun 26, 2010 5:36 pm

I like messing with people. stop being a n'wah, Skatakal (he svcks everything up)

Well now that's just rude, and very confusing to the newer lore zealots. Everyone knows we use standard Cyrodiilic gods here, so don't even mention Sep :stare:

» Sat Jun 26, 2010 6:26 pm

I've started using the obscure names for all the gods.

Don't. It's unnecessary.

Aaaaaaaaaaanyways, back to the actual topic.... the answer is yes, see Luagar's post. The hole that is the volcano's mouth is basically the shaft that the Heart's descent and impact created.

» Sat Jun 26, 2010 2:31 pm

Why would the Dwemer blacken all of Vvardenfell and a significant chunk of their civilization? be aware that a Faction was the cause of the Dwemeri downfall (For possessing the heart) not all of the people.

I would think that Vvardenfell became all ashy either before the Dwemer could control it, or when the Chimer turned to Dunmer. It is a volcanic island afterall :shrug:

And the fall of the Dwemer is a different discussion entirely

» Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:03 pm

The problem with properly identifying the vulcanism and tectonic features of Tamriel is due to the developers probably having an extremely limited knowledge of geology. I'm not accusing them or anything - they probably didn't take college-level courses in geology, nor bummed around watching Hot Rocks and Volcanoes of the World on the Science Channel.

Plus, given that it is a fantasy world, there's nothing to say that Nirn's composition is like that of Earth's (core, mantle, crust; felsic and mafic magma). Which is a pity, because you can get some pretty awesome landscapes on this here planet Earth.

» Sat Jun 26, 2010 3:29 pm

Lorkhan's Heart(/Stomach) didn't create Vvardenfell, it created Red Mountain. Vivec created Vvardenfell when he decided there should be a really, really wide river going through the province. I think an Akaviri invasion had something to do with it if I remember correctly...

» Sun Jun 27, 2010 3:38 am

The stomach is the void in his chest, or "Sithis-shaped hole of the world", not the heart. The heart is actually his divinity and Anuic.

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In case you are wondering, Sheogorath and Lorkhan have long been linked by the description, but I'm certainly no closer to understanding the relationship, even after reading the old forum topic. That should've been the focus of SI, but in a detatched and inconclusive kind of way, I guess it was :shrug:

» Sat Jun 26, 2010 4:18 pm

I like messing with people. stop being a n'wah, Skatakal (he svcks everything up)

Fail.

» Sun Jun 27, 2010 7:00 am

Lorkhan's Heart(/Stomach) didn't create Vvardenfell, it created Red Mountain. Vivec created Vvardenfell when he decided there should be a really, really wide river going through the province. I think an Akaviri invasion had something to do with it if I remember correctly...

Really? I thought that the Heart fell to Nirn, created the volcano that is Red Mountain, and the initial impact and subsequent magma flows and overall seismic and volcanic activity created the island Vvardenfell. I didn't realize Vivec had anything to do with it. Is there a source you can point me to?

» Sun Jun 27, 2010 5:32 am

I'd love to see it. If it isn't in the Sermons, best believe it doesn't exist.

» Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:00 am

In case you are wondering, Sheogorath and Lorkhan have long been linked by the description, but I'm certainly no closer to understanding the relationship, even after reading the old forum topic. That should've been the focus of SI, but in a detatched and inconclusive kind of way, I guess it was :shrug:

Wasn't it in a messed up sort of way? In KoTN you mantle Talos (Your Welcome), but then in the SI you become Seogorath. So maybe Sheogorath mantled Talos?

» Sat Jun 26, 2010 5:36 pm

No, I'm not talking about mantling*, but the relationship between the Sithis-shaped hole in the world, aka Sheogorath, and Lorkhan. In my opinion, SI never addressed it in a sufficient manner.

*that word is begining to bug the hell out of me, it has a bad ring to it make note to self never to say it again

» Sun Jun 27, 2010 7:07 am

*that word is begining to bug the hell out of me, it has a bad ring to it make note to self never to say it again

I forget, does "enantiomorph" refer to the same process? It's been a while since I've heard enantiomorph (and it sounds so much better than the fireplace mantle).

» Sun Jun 27, 2010 2:22 am

Enantiomorph = mirror-form = the two opposing forces that create and sustain the universe that are actually one thing.

» Sat Jun 26, 2010 7:34 pm

Enantiomorph = mirror-form = the two opposing forces that create and sustain the universe that are actually one thing.

Oh, right. No, wait, what? Darn, I've gone and forgotten everything I gleaned over the past year.

Could you give me some examples?

» Sat Jun 26, 2010 6:27 pm

Anu (Stasis) and Padhome (Change).
Akatosh (Time) and Lorkhan (Space).
Jyggalag (Exactitude) and Sheogorath (Madness).

Real life examples: Yin and Yang, black and white, light and darkness, good and evil, up down, left right, this that, is ain't, etc etc etc

Indeed, as above, so below.

» Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:35 pm

Really? I thought that the Heart fell to Nirn, created the volcano that is Red Mountain, and the initial impact and subsequent magma flows and overall seismic and volcanic activity created the island Vvardenfell. I didn't realize Vivec had anything to do with it. Is there a source you can point me to?

Can't remember the source, sorry. I remember it was talked about not long after Oblivious came out when there was all the retcon lore involving Heroes being the ones who (re)shape the land, and I'm fairly positive the Inner Sea was created in response to the Akaviri invasion of Morrowind.

» Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:02 pm

I think you're mixing the stories up, Arklon. http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/many-headed_talos.shtml is the only retcon I know of which mentions reshaping the land. As for the Akaviri invasion, Vivec taught the people how to breathe water so he could flood Morrowind and defeat the Akaviri.

» Sat Jun 26, 2010 7:32 pm

I forget, does "enantiomorph" refer to the same process? It's been a while since I've heard enantiomorph (and it sounds so much better than the fireplace mantle).

When you brought that up, can I say that enantiomorph is special case of mantling - you recreate the actions of Lorkhan and Akatosh?

Anu (Stasis) and Padhome (Change).
Akatosh (Time) and Lorkhan (Space).
Jyggalag (Exactitude) and Sheogorath (Madness).

Real life examples: Yin and Yang, black and white, light and darkness, good and evil, up down, left right, this that, is ain't, etc etc etc

It is not that simple, there is usually more people involved than just two opposites. So the real life examples are wrong and I am not sure about Jyggalag and Sheogorath either.