I personally would love a Hoplon style of warrior. This hoplite would use a shield and a spear, the spear being a typical 2 handed weapon. Most of you know about the phalanx and how it has it's strengths and weaknesses and I would love to brave the challenge of a solo hoplite. You would have incredible defense and range and your one true downfall would be the shattering of your spear. Any decent player however would have a xiphos or some other short swrod to fall back on!

Many have been outspoken for dual wielding which I am for. I, however would much prefer the sword/shield playstyle and hope I can be accomadated.

im sure if bethesda doesnt add it, the modders shall provide!

I think this is a great idea, though maybe something more like a celtic spearman would be more lore appropriate, but what do I know.

What?

Celtic, spartan, either way is fine with me. The spear is a staple of historic warfare and I just want to see it added. It's the simplest of weapons really, you take a stick and make it long and sharp. There you have a spear. The simplicity is tied with it's eeffectiveness, easy to make and use.

I know for a fact if I were to face a man encased in bronze with a 6 foot wooden spear with an iron spear tip and he was pure muscle I would be weary, fear would grip your enemy at first glance. Intimidation is a massive factor in war, as is the reach and training.

Basically with the spear I suggest you would gain more of a reach and offenss ve startegy. I wouldn't expect to be invicible as a hoplite as I am trained to fight as one but a single Hoplon vs barbarian vs a barbarian would prevail. In my mind anyway.

Have you never played a video game before? Everytime a spear has been added it has been as a 2 handed weapon. Ok maybe not every time but a large majority, you shouldn't need the "what" post. Taking the Oblivion style a spear would have been a 2 handed weapon. My hope is that a spear can be either or.

Sorry for any confussion :wink_smile:

I think what he means is why would they both count as one weapon, I think it would be good if you could equip both separately, and maybe one advantage would be being able to stab with the spear while blocking with the shield, while having more options without actively blocking, and for smaller and closer opponents, you can switch to a short sword of some kind.

As far as implementing spears go, I miss all of the variety in weapon and armor types that Morrowind had, so I'd like to get them back as well.

maby having the option to hold the spear in differents style; spear and shield where you can block, and put the spear over the top and jab at foes, or two handed spear where you can thrust, parry and throw the spear.

impalement would be nice, maybe for a finishing move

Maybe if you use a spear alone, it counts as a two handed weapon and does more damage, since you're concentrating on offense, then if you wanted to use it with a shield, there would be a damage penalty?

Agreed, spears have been combined with shields of various sizes throughout the ages of warfare! Why havnt I thought of this?

I dont even need to state where I stand on this topic... just look at my avatar

I say yes.
Hoplite armor might be cold in Skyrim though!

In elder scrolls 'times' they are probably well advanced past that kind of fighting style. If you're a solo player it doesn't make sense to fight that style either, as its benefits come from many others supporting each other. A lone hoplite wandering around skyrim would almost be the equivalent if I put on a pair of skidz sweat pants, grew a mullet, and wandered around my neighborhood. Besides, I think if spears/lances are included they'll unfortunately be two handed weapons

Spear is actually a one handed trowing weapon.

In Mount and blade you could any two handed weapon, in one hand, only less effectively.

people still run straight at you and attack with a dagger... i think the hoplites fighting style would fit in just fine :rolleyes:

Because a one man phalanx makes sense and a fellow with zero mobility because of a big heavy shield and a huge 2-3 (or more) m lance could actually stand a chance of killing a mere mudcrab. Although I am inclined to agree the pure image is nice.

That's a Javelin.

And I'm all for shield + spear. I think it makes for a very http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAGiOcFOG-s&feature=related.

When they invented guns armies or warriors still used spears for enemies charging on their postion also known as pikes, which can be used as spears. So I'm sure in skyrim there can still be spears:)

The option to hold weapons differently would be good. Imagine having your strength high enough to effectively hold a warhammer in one hand Spears should return with the option of holding it one handed with a shield in the other.

Bandits or mages sometimes used daggers. Being a 'lone' hoplite just doesnt make sense, unless youre in some sort of crazy ancient greek formation. Bronze was also a huge part of a hoplite's armor and weapon...using it against steel or better is dumb. I can see being a warrior class and using a spear or lance, but the whole hoplite getup just wouldnt make sense, cause that charging bandit may just impale your pc with his ebony dagger if youre wearing crappy bronze.

i dont see anything in my post that mentions spears being outdated. i mentioned a fighting style, which involves standing next to 30 other men with shields interlocked as you advance with a spear, but i didnt mention anything specifically about just a weapon. Being a hoplite class in skyrim just doesnt make sense, if you can be a standard warrior that also uses spears. What ability or difference would make a 'hoplite'?

its amazing how the younger generation are actually becoming less and less educated, knowledgeable....etc

Its sad that you were born in the blackberry/internet age I know, but please read books and watch something other than power rangers.

spears are usually two handed weapons that is true BUT they can be used as one handed weapons (Hoplite used such spears) also you have shorter versions that are one handed weapons and ALSO throw-able, swords were actually not that widely used in ancient combat, pole weapons and javelins and shields and bows were much more effective.

if the guy wants to use a spear and a shield then by all means why not, damn even I want to try that out it would be awesome, in ancient Greece the Phalanx were the most fearsome infantry formations, though vulnerable to enemy flanking maneuvers. They were able to repel many invasions using such long range melee weapons.

why oppose adding good things to a game : /

I say yes, the more variety the better.