As far as we see it's only 1950s in culture, not social norms as for the rest weeeeeeeeeeeell

http://i.imgur.com/TFJ2qL9.jpg

from the trailer.

Well then clearly we have totally different priorities and reasons for enjoying Bethesda games. Can you at least understand the concerns of those who did enjoy creating characters and roleplaying? Some of us liked making characters that were, at least to an extent, our own design. I understand if you're not that sort of person, but some of us who are are not happy with this new character.

I can understand, but I don't really care. I played 3 and NV, and I felt like the Lone Wanderer in 3, while I never felt that when playing the courier. My opinion, if you do not like an aspect of a game, it may not be the game you want to get.

But interracial couples were just fine?

Ok but again that's YOU, a majority of the players prefer character customization and balance, have you never seen the nexus? Each Nexus for Bethesda games has numerous people uploading mods that change or expand character customization. Skyrim even has a mod that gives a lot more sliders and options just for character customization. As for story well that's on you again, a lot more people hated FO3's story and writing.

Yeah, the interracial, lisbian couple is somewhat out of character. I hadn't seen that. (and I watched the trailer, guess that wasn't something I was actually looking for.) But, from the snippet of trailer we saw, not sure how much credence I would put on that. They may just be neighbors.... (and yes, that actually did happen in the 50's.)

Likie many others, I am fine with it. Hell, the predefined story is what I have always wanted. You can bet nothing will chaneg though as the majority of the community, and those new to the community, really don't care.

I like the turn that has been made with this game, and I am sure they will make a lot of money from the smart descisons they have made with this game.

I'm pretty sure interracial couples weren't well-regarded in the 50's. If they're allowed in Fallout's universe, then how do we know homosixual couples aren't allowed either? Honestly I don't mind this that much, but I hate seeing this argument that "it wasn't allowed back then" when we clearly see couples that would have gotten tarred and feathered.

Hand around the hip, holding close, yea no body language is important. As far as I see it they're an interracial lisbian couple and as I've said again pre-war Fallout seems to be 1950s in just cultural imagery. The army was de-segregated, there were women serving on the field, interracial couples, we see no racism in anything from the pre-war, as far as we see it nothing to suggest that racism or homophobia were on a large scale in pre-war fallout.

true, though in the examples you listed you are consistently made aware that you are a static character. Kinda apples and oranges.

No, they weren't, but, they DID exist. Not same-six though..... at least, not that anyone ever talked about.

You can interpret that any way you care to, but, for my part, I will wait and see when the game comes out. I don't care to make wild guesses based on one pic.

@Psychotrip: Way to cherry pick select words; I said it is shortsighted at best, childish at worst. Guess what followed after those words.....options, essentially a way to think about your, as in your character, life after the Vault opens. Don't let me rain on your soapbox performance, please continue.

So, if I can apparently have a totally public interracial couple while living in a nice neighborhood and not hiding from the general public, who says homosixual couples aren't allowable in the Fallout universe?

But we're getting off-topic.

I didn't cherry-pick. I repeated what you said. Don't back away from it now. Also, I addressed your options and I understand your point. It's a valid one, which is why I responded with my own point. It's not that I can't work around the pre-determined story, just that I'd rather not have to. Technically, I can create a character in literally any game. I can pretend I'm not Adam Jensen in Deus Ex. I can pretend I'm not Geralt in the Witcher, but I play Bethesda games because they typically give me a balance between a pre-determined backstory and a character I can make my own. Fallout 4's backstory is just too much for my liking. I can work my way around it, or just ignore it, but I prefer a game that encourages the freedom to create my own character with just enough backstory to allow for a good story.

@Psychotrip: I know what I wrote, and you chose childish to focus on. Since you edited and kept it civil, I edited as a courtesy. I understand the desire for options, but once I leave the Vault, I will brain dump pre-war fluff and start the true life of my character.

Of course I'm going to focus on a personal attack when someone calls me "childish". That was rude, but if you read my actual post you'd see I responded to your entire comment as well. Read the comment I posted just before yours. I went into even more detail. Let's not turn this into a flame-war, shall we? Let's keep this civil.

Guess everyone has different priorities. For my part, I glare past the molehill of the protagonists established past towards the mountain of having his personality and manner defined by voiced dialogue. But, some folk hate molehills, and that's their prerogative.

This is an issue I have as well. The voices character forces itself upon whatever character you want to make.

So far, we do not have convincing evidence that they ARE an interacial lisbian couple. We have supposition, and circumstantial evidence. Not enough for a conviction. Show me a quote from someone that works on the game, that states it, THEN I will accept it.

Oh sorry. I think we're misunderstanding each other. I don't even know what lisbian couple you're talking about. I'm talking about how you can clearly have an interracial couple according to the character creation screen. My point is that, if you can have an interracial couple, why not a gay one? Who says that's not allowed in the Fallout universe if interracial ones are clearly fine?

My biggest beef is being set as a war veteran.

The voicing also predetermines how my character acts and sounds. And of course it seems we only have 4 options at best to shoose from speech wise.

sigh....

Not my character, just Todd Howards character with different perks and stats.

Yea, one of my ideas was for a character to start out as a pacifist that hated violence and war having their morals changed in a world that is entirely new to them, welp can't do that now.

Because in the 1950's, interracial couples DID exist. They were most certainly not common, and yes, in most communities, they would have a very hard time, BUT, there WERE places where they were accepted, as just another couple. You can find places even today, where interracial couples have a very hard time fitting in to the community they live in....... Prejudices seem to have a VERY long half-life.

Dialog: I don't think we are going to be limited to only four minor choices. That would seriously gimp dialog, even from previous games. I suspect there will be a "more" option, or maybe (on the xbox) the D-pad as well. Just because we didn't SEE it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. (yes, this is a blind hope.)

You could say the same thing about homosixual couples. They weren't welcomed, but they existed. Interracial couples could and would often be killed or driven out of town.

My point is, given the fact that we can have interracial couples and apparently live in a well-off neighborhood without a problem, we honestly don't know what is acceptable in the Fallout universe and what isn't. We don't even know if segregation still exists in this universe. It's not a carbon copy of the 50's. There are differences. Neither of us can say either way yet.

True, I haven't seen any drinking fountains that had signs "Whites Only" above them, but then, I wouldn't expect to see that in the game in any event. It's a game, not a political/social statement. (there was nothing of that nature in the original games either.....)

And yes, gay couples did exist, but, VERY, VERY, VERY rarely, openly. As in, never......

Right, in the 1950s, our 1950s do you know what pre-war America in Fallout wasn't? That. 1950s didn't have robots, they didn't have women combatants, they didn't have power armor, didn't have many many things and as far as see wasn't racist of any kind. As far as we know the 1950s themed culture existed purely in culture, not the social norms of the generation. So saying "gay couples shouldn't be open in pre-war America because 1950s" IS A GIGANTIC stretch that you can't back up yet I can say they were a thing by a screenshot of two women being close together with body language suggesting they were, in fact, a gay couple.

Friends don't hold each other like that, as far as we can tell they are a couple.