[Tamara Primo]

Is there a reason why Solstheim is where most of the Dunmer refugees went? If most of the Dunmer refugees are from the mainland, it doesn't make sense to me for them to travel that far north, to an island controlled by imperials and nords...

Who knows? It's just what we're told..remember, the island isn't exactly overran with Nords and Imperials. It's largely unsettled...and a lot could have changed politically between Oblivion and this book. It's been over forty years. The Nerevarine's own actions in Bloodmoon could wildly change the political landscape of that island.

[Brooke Turner]

Some of you are treating this like it's crap all over the lore. It seems to me like a brilliant and long planned out shuffling of the status quo that perfectly ties into what we've been subtly told (http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/5th_era_loveletter.shtml) all along. Long live Morrowind! Long live House Sul!

Yes this is bad ass, its nice to read the loveletter after learning what I have.

The TES secret master lexicon likely recorded most of these events, before Keyes was hired, possibly years before. To say the lore has changed is more than a bit misleading.

Is there a reason why Solstheim is where most of the Dunmer refugees went? If most of the Dunmer refugees are from the mainland, it doesn't make sense to me for them to travel that far north, to an island controlled by imperials and nords...

Solstheim isn't Imperial anymore, if you would say it ever was. The fort was sacked and the colony butchered in Bloodmoon. The Skaal keep to themselves, however the influx of Dunmer has likely gotten a few Nords pissed.


Oh, and cheers to obscure texts :foodndrink:

[Greg Swan]

I think it's possible that after the Oblivion Crisis there's next to no Imperial presence left on Solstheim. The colony 'failed' in the end, the Skaal were rumoured to be moving against the Imperials and I don't know why the legion would even want to operate such a remote outpost with the Empire crumbling around them.

I also wonder if and how Solstheim was affected by Landfall. It may have changed a lot, or not at all. Both could entail reasons for Dunmer to seek refuge there.

I like what I've heard so far anyway. Now if only I could find the book for sale (or at least someone acknowledging it's existence) somewhere <_<

[Jarrett Willis]

NOW we get the chance to 'live through' similar and significant lore-building events and you all are furious? that's quite a disconnect.

More like we skipped it. I want to see the collapse of the Dunmer, not hear about in an ingame book or a real world book. I still think its awesome to wreck morrowind. The Dunmer have been the whipping boys of TES since the end of Bloodmoon.

Vvardenfell is a big soupy mix of crater and lava overflow.

Mainland Morrowind suffered a bit of the aftershock of that, and was swiftly overran by angry, long-suffering Argonian hordes who promptly added the land to their growing Empire. The remaining Dunmer fled, mostly to Solsthiem but to other provinces too.

Could it be that the Telvanni Isles remained? If the Argonian horde conquered the mainland, theres all those bits on the side that would require more difficult planning and terrain than swarming through the familiar Dres swamplands. If you think about the Telvanni, the things they can summon, and their attitude to political upheaval in the past... They may well have shut off their islands to outsiders, charged ridiculous ransoms to allow the richer house dunmer sanctuary, and left the remaining rabble to make their way to Solstheim. The Redoran troops, the Ordinators, the Armigers, the Mages.... For this lot to be defeated by the Argonians, even with their vvardenfell troops gone....The oblivion crisis must have [censored] them up more than we realised.

Though I suppose the cliff racers did drive out the dragons.

[CArlos BArrera]

The Telvanni are probably okay. Well, maybe. Unless the Hist can use invasive mental powers.

As for skipping it, I understand the concern, but think about this. One of our biggest complaints as a community was that Oblivion railroaded everything (and the only real decision had one answer canonized by the book, or some other schmuck gave Vile the sword) and a period of political and mythic upheaval would mean that a big damn hero could change the course of events significantly and would be immortalized by history. In order to avoid having to pull a Daggerfall, they had it happen between the games and the books.

It's a valid point, but it does have a valid counterpoint. I guess this is all a big case of mileage may vary.

[Jodie Bardgett]

Could it be that the Telvanni Isles remained? If the Argonian horde conquered the mainland, theres all those bits on the side that would require more difficult planning and terrain than swarming through the familiar Dres swamplands. If you think about the Telvanni, the things they can summon, and their attitude to political upheaval in the past... They may well have shut off their islands to outsiders, charged ridiculous ransoms to allow the richer house dunmer sanctuary, and left the remaining rabble to make their way to Solstheim. The Redoran troops, the Ordinators, the Armigers, the Mages.... For this lot to be defeated by the Argonians, even with their vvardenfell troops gone....The oblivion crisis must have [censored] them up more than we realised.

Though I suppose the cliff racers did drive out the dragons.

Personally i'd imagine they didn't conquear ALL of Morrowind but rather the southern borders up to the crater that once was Vivec, central Morrowind (Vvradenfell) is proably still too uninhibitable to really conquer so it would liely be a neutral zone. I imagine that most of northern Morrowind that wasn't affected is still in Dunmeri hands.

And you have to remember, during Oblivion there where rumors that Morrowind already was in heavy unrest, most of the great houses fallen and conflics with the Skyrim borderlands, they must have already been weakend severely before it happend.
And from a (probably jokefull but still there) in game pvssyr you could overhear the cliffracers where whiped out or at least driven out of Morrowind.

So i think the Argonians probably didn't encounter a lot of resistance, most around the southern Morrowind border probably but deeper inwards i guess resistance was severely weakeed already and they didn't conquer far past "ground zero".

[KRistina Karlsson]

Does anyone know where Ione is located its that new town that was mentioned.

[Ezekiel Macallister]

Poor Fyr, I guess he out lived the Tribunal just to be blown up...

[Eilidh Brian]

Does anyone know where Ione is located its that new town that was mentioned.

Not sure. Check Oblivion gate locations on the map in the described area, I guess?

[suniti]

Poor Fyr, I guess he out lived the Tribunal just to be blown up...

If Divayth's dead than that means Yagrum is dead aswell.

[Valerie Marie]

If Divayth's dead than that means Yagrum is dead aswell.

Divayth is in the upper tower.
Yagrum is way down into the Corprusarium bowels. That has to offer some kind of shelter for this sort of thing.
Their locations are two extremes from each other.

[WYatt REed]

So I read the book yesterday and I only have one question...



Why is Solstheim all of a sudden called Soulstheim?

I'm still not sure whether I like the book or not :ahhh:

[jessica robson]

Vvardenfell is a big soupy mix of crater and lava overflow.

Mainland Morrowind suffered a bit of the aftershock of that, and was swiftly overran by angry, long-suffering Argonian hordes who promptly added the land to their growing Empire. The remaining Dunmer fled, mostly to Solsthiem but to other provinces too.

Oh! Well, now I'm less upset - the province isn't a big steaming crater.

Solstheim is really small, I don't see how all the Dunmer could fit there, and how they'd be able to sustain themselves (agriculture). Besides, I thought the Nords would try to kick them out or something, they aren't historically on the best of terms.

[Amy Masters]

So I read the book yesterday and I only have one question...



Why is Solstheim all of a sudden called Soulstheim?

I'm still not sure whether I like the book or not :ahhh:

Either a typo or "americanized" name.

[Lizbeth Ruiz]

Either a typo or "americanized" name.

I don't think typos like that can be made around three times in a book....
And if Keyes changed the name just because it would sound better along with the whole ingenium thing or whatever <_<

[The Time Car]

Oh! Well, now I'm less upset - the province isn't a big steaming crater.

Solstheim is really small, I don't see how all the Dunmer could fit there, and how they'd be able to sustain themselves (agriculture). Besides, I thought the Nords would try to kick them out or something, they aren't historically on the best of terms.

Telvanni shroom towers? They only have to be skyscraqers....

Besides, its about 100 miles across, by Daggerfall distance standards, that should be enough to fit the few who survived there. As for agriculture, half the island is more fertile than most of Morrowind.


Also, I laugh at the pathetic renaming of Solstheim.

[Scared humanity]

Also, I laugh at the pathetic renaming of Solstheim.

Aside a recurring typo and "americanizing" the name it could very well be that Keyes actually thought it's written like that and the editor didn't catch the mistake as he didnt know it too or simply overlooked it.

[Kay O'Hara]

Apparently he didn't consult The Imperial Library as much as he said he did

[Ellie English]

Either a typo or "americanized" name.

They're going to "Americanize" a name already from the United States? This is more like Mexicanizing the name, or Frenching it.

[Brandon Wilson]

They're going to "Americanize" a name already from the United States? This is more like Mexicanizing the name, or Frenching it.

Or murdering it?

[Jacob Phillips]

In the first chapter, someone mentions Morrowind as being "The Shatterlands". Does that mean Morrowind was completely destroyed by the Daedra?

Edit: Oh, I've only read the first three chapters, so don't spoil anything for me.

[Robert DeLarosa]

They're going to "Americanize" a name already from the United States? This is more like Mexicanizing the name, or Frenching it.

Uhm the name was neither written and pronouned "american", americanizing means it's changed to sound more american (and being easier to pronounce in english).

Solstheim sounds more "scandinavian" than anything. BTW, a case of deliberate "un-americazation" in a name is H?agen-Dazs, from the name along you wouldn't guess that it's 100% made in USA.

[Alexis Acevedo]

Why is Solstheim all of a sudden called Soulstheim?

That's a pretty sad error.

[SiLa]

Oh, hey, for those people reading the book, is that first chapter that was up on that website to read the same thing you get in the book? You know, with all those discrepancies and dubious writing talent?

[glot]

Also, I laugh at the pathetic renaming of Solstheim.

A damn sword's there and now its Soulstheim, its the Scandanavian sequel of soul plane. Its disgusting.