The Infernal City: An Elder Scrolls Novel; Thread #1

Post » Fri May 27, 2011 5:09 am

I'm sorry, there's a massive gulf in between 'keeping the world completely static' and 'totally obliterating an entire country and people'.

That's actually one of the fantasy problems i mentioned a while ago, changes in fantasy can apparantly ONLY happen on a epic scale level instead of small, a empire falls, massive war or, as here, a whole contry getting nuked.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:25 pm

TesV could not be set in Morrowind i don't know why the heck is anyone hoping for that? And the Vvardenfel is nuked not the main land so don't cry for it,its gonna be ok someday.You played Morrowind you allways know that there was a risk that that rock falls,it did so face it!!!
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 2:25 pm

TesV could not be set in Morrowind i don't know why the heck is anyone hoping for that? And the Vvardenfel is nuked not the main land so don't cry for it,its gonna be ok someday.You played Morrowind you allways know that there was a risk that that rock falls,it did so face it!!!

Actually, I don't recall it ever being specifically stated that only Vvardenfell was destroyed. I think it was all of Morrowind.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 10:00 am

I'm sorry, there's a massive gulf in between 'keeping the world completely static' and 'totally obliterating an entire country and people'. I was actually looking forward to seeing the aftermath of the Oblivion crisis in Vvardenfell. I knew very well that we wouldn't get another game set in Morrowind, but I was expecting to hear about the political fallout from the Empire's collapse, the shift in the balance of power between the Houses, the consequences of the Daedric invasion and Nord attacks - or at least hoping that Bethesda would leave us to speculate on those things for ourselves. What do we get instead? "BOOM!"


That is exactly what I had been looking forward to. I was eager to hear about how the Dunmer people were adjusting to all of the changes. To read about this is more than a little disappointing to those of us who consider Morrowind "our" corner of the Elder Scrolls universe. We watched over the Nerevarine's shoulder as he/she overcame nearly impossible odds to save Morrowind and inspite of all that, THIS is what ended up happening? It makes quite a few of us feel like "it was all for naught".
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 2:02 pm

Actually, I don't recall it ever being specifically stated that only Vvardenfell was destroyed. I think it was all of Morrowind.

While the landmass could still be there, I'd imagine the mainland of Morrowind would be FUBAR if it still existed.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:32 am

Oh dear God.

Well, there goes any interest I had in the continuation of the TES series. What the hell, Bethesda.

Agreed. Destroying an entire province is just messed up, especially since so many people love Vvardenfell and Morrowind as experience in TES III. To now make the Dunmer nearly extinct and ruin the best example of truly alien fantasy? It's like Bethesda wanted to shoot themselves in the foot.

Screw it, I have no interest in TES V. I'll stick to my Morrowind and Daggerfall.

And it doesn't make sense that Bar Dau (or whatever - the ministry of truth) would fall down. It stopped because it was impressed by Vivec. Vivec has Chim, why would Lie Rock decide to fall down?

What's the point of the Nerevarine if the whole province get's obliterated about 50 years later?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 2:42 pm

Actually, I don't recall it ever being specifically stated that only Vvardenfell was destroyed. I think it was all of Morrowind.

Then the others provinces must be dameged
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:22 am

so I'm okay with Vvardenfell being blown up by the Landfall.

All of Morrowind was blown up.

Plus, the relationship between the Argonians and Dunmer really appeals to me.

Yeah because death and murder are apart of every relationship.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:55 am

Agreed. Destroying an entire province is just messed up, especially since so many people love Vvardenfell and Morrowind as experience in TES III. To now make the Dunmer nearly extinct and ruin the best example of truly alien fantasy? It's like Bethesda wanted to shoot themselves in the foot.

Screw it, I have no interest in TES V. I'll stick to my Morrowind and Daggerfall.

And it doesn't make sense that Bar Dau (or whatever - the ministry of truth) would fall down. It stopped because it was impressed by Vivec. Vivec has Chim, why would Lie Rock decide to fall down?

What's the point of the Nerevarine if the whole province get's obliterated about 50 years later?

LOOOOOOL I laughed my ass off,your not interested in TESV because they nuked Morrowind in a book. And Morrowind will have nothing to do with V....thats funny! I'm glad they nuked it i won't say why because they'll bann me again !!!
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 3:48 pm

Good let those ashlanders die.

/care
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:02 pm

Morrowinds death may be a good thing for TES 5, one quest line could have something to do with it. The Dunmer people managed to survive the tragic destruction of there ashland home and now they need to restore their people.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:59 pm

Good let those ashlanders die.

/care

They left for Solstheim. They're gonna move back in after Umbriel has done its work on the Argonian inhabitants and slap them back in chains. HA!
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 4:29 pm

Morrowinds death may be a good thing for TES 5, one quest line could have something to do with it. The Dunmer people managed to destroy the tragic destruction of there ashland home and now they need to restore their people.

Theres a plenty of Dunmers left in other provinces i assure you.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 1:40 pm

I have mixed feelings about the destruction of Morrowind. My first thought was "What the hell, Bethesda?"

Then I realized that it was kind of inevitable. They hinted at it enough during the game itself that that big rock would be coming down, and it would not be pretty once it did. The novel was rich enough in lore (and realize that MK worked at gamesas, and that his lore is all in line with what Bethesda had planned.)

White-Gold keeping the Mundus seperated was the entire storyline of Oblivion- without that key part, it wouldn't have happened.

This is development of a universe. I've had enough of universes where the 'status quo' is maintained. Bethesda's trying to shake it up a little bit, and that is a Good Thing.

The Dunmer aren't gone- they're hurt, but they still exist. What we love so much about them still exists. They've gotten through tough situations before- the entire storyline of Morrowind comes to mind, and multiple Akaviri invasions. You really think the fall of the Tribunal and the removal of a Tower wouldn't have catastrophic effects on the province? The Argonian emergence into superpower status is surprising, but so far their victories are over a collapsing Empire and taking advantage of a chaos situation.

Besides, we have 160 years until the next game takes place. AFAWK, the Wheel could have turned back to Order by then. This is all a cycle.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 5:55 am

I'm sorry, there's a massive gulf in between 'keeping the world completely static' and 'totally obliterating an entire country and people'. I was actually looking forward to seeing the aftermath of the Oblivion crisis in Vvardenfell. I knew very well that we wouldn't get another game set in Morrowind, but I was expecting to hear about the political fallout from the Empire's collapse, the shift in the balance of power between the Houses, the consequences of the Daedric invasion and Nord attacks - or at least hoping that Bethesda would leave us to speculate on those things for ourselves. What do we get instead? "BOOM!"

I'm sure the novel is great if you're into all the stuff about the Hist and flying undead cities, but the thing is, I'm not. Morrowind is the only place in any of the Elder Scrolls games that actually interested me, and now it's gone - nuked to [censored]. There's nothing left to hold my interest now, and that's all there is to it.

Yep totally agree. I'm done with this.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 2:07 pm

This is development of a universe. I've had enough of universes where the 'status quo' is maintained. Bethesda's trying to shake it up a little bit, and that is a Good Thing.

Agreed.

The Dunmer aren't gone- they're hurt, but they still exist. What we love so much about them still exists. They've gotten through tough situations before- the entire storyline of Morrowind comes to mind, and multiple Akaviri invasions. You really think the fall of the Tribunal and the removal of a Tower wouldn't have catastrophic effects on the province? The Argonian emergence into superpower status is surprising, but so far their victories are over a collapsing Empire and taking advantage of a chaos situation.

My thoughts exactly.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:04 am

What's the point of the Nerevarine if the whole province get's obliterated about 50 years later?


And what makes it even worse is that, considering the Nerevarine's effectively immortal, he/she could presumably be around to see it happen.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 5:14 pm

What's the point of the Nerevarine if the whole province get's obliterated about 50 years later?

You are entitled to your opinion, but I would be remiss if I did not point out that what this event is directly tied into the Nerevarine prophecies- if he had not destroyed the Heart of Lorkhan, Vivec would not have lost his powers and the Ministry of Truth would not have come crashing down.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:14 am

You are entitled to your opinion, but I would be remiss if I did not point out that what this event is directly tied into the Nerevarine prophecies- if he had not destroyed the Heart of Lorkhan, Vivec would not have lost his powers and the Ministry of Truth would not have come crashing down.

The Tribunal was already losing power because they lost Kagrenac's tools and couldn't tap into the heart to replenish their godly powers.

Oh, yay, look I saved the dunmer from Dagoth Ur! Wait, crap, I just doomed everyone to die a horrible death.

What kind of prophecy doesn't take OBLITERATION into account?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:23 pm

Aren't we making a major assumption if we think that the Nerevarine prophesy was on the side of the Dunmer? I mean, it did result in Dagoth Ur's defeat, but Dagoth Ur was in many ways a patriot. It also resulted in the death of at least two of the Dunmer's three gods, as well as the deaths of several other political leaders; tell me that didn't result in some major upheaval. Now, the land is decimated by the Landfall, another consequence of the prophesy. Aside from Dagoth Ur's defeat, none of this directly benefited the House Dunmer. So, who did it benefit? The Cyrodiilic Empire definitely benefited from a weakened Morrowind, as did the Argonians. Obviously, the Daedra have a hand in this, so maybe it all benefits them somehow. Interestingly though, I would draw our attention to the Ashlanders.

The Ashlanders were the ones who hoped in the prophesy to begin with. They lived as nomads in a harsh land, and they were ostracized by the House Dunmer. Assuming that some of them survived the Landfall, is this end result not ideal for those Ashlanders? Dagoth Ur was a threat to them, and the Nereverine destroyed that threat. The Tribunal was an abomination to them, and the Nereverine removed them from power. The House Dunmer were an affront to their way of life, and now they too are crushed as a result of the prophesy. All of Morrowind is inhospitable, and most of the remaining Dunmer may leave, but it is exactly the type of environment that the Ashlanders have adapted to. At long last, all of Morrowind has been cleared of sellouts and opened to them. Yes, the Argonians are there now, but who really thinks that the Argonians are going to permanently set up shop in a volcanic wasteland. They live natively in a swamp! When they finish hunting the House Dunmer and leave, the Ashlanders will have their turn. It's twisted, but it's also a dream come true
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 9:24 pm

Why do people care so much about a piece of land that you won't be able to travel to...
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 4:35 pm

I don't really mind them destroying Morrowind(which can create some interesting plot elements in the future), but it's kind of the spit on the face on everything the Nerevarine did in ES3.

Hmmm, maybe it's about time for them to give the Nerevarine an official gender and race so he can appear again. Otherwise, what was the point of him doing anything there? What was the point of making him having immortality? *shrugs*
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 1:09 pm

I don't really mind them destroying Morrowind(which can create some interesting plot elements in the future), but it's kind of the spit on the face on everything the Nerevarine did in ES3.

I'm starting to come under the impression that the Nerevarine prophecy was part of a larger conspiracy that essentially resulted in MW's destruction and perhaps even beyond that. Who's to say that the destruction of MW wasn't part of the plan all along? Even since TES III, maybe.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:42 pm

Personally the only concern i have is that they will paint the Argonians as bad in the future for invading the remains of morrowind. To everyone it would seem justified, after al lthey hd to go through centuries of slavery, hate and invasioins by the Dunmer, plus driving the hist to ner extinction, but somehow i still have that fear they will somehow say "they did evil".

Well i always have my worries when it gets to the Argonians, didn't it say that many of them retruend to Black Marsh? Now if they'd say "setting is Skyrim" where not too many would live anyway couldn't that lead into saying "there are none left in Skyrim so we won't do them there"?

... Ok i might be a bit too paranoid on that point (though seeing as they already wanted to not do tham as playable in Morrowind)...
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:48 pm

Correct me if am wrong but aren't there two new magic factions? The College of Whispers and The Synogod(Which I know I spelt wrong but I forgot so...)
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