Just wondering.I've been playing Morrowind for a while and the backstory is amazing, but at the same time confusing.I guess it is indeed true that the Tribunal killed Nerevar (Vivec wrote so in the sermons, Dagoth or Nerevar himself tell the PC in a dream that 'three betrayed you').Then there's Azura who does indeed seems to be benevolent and caring for her people and the Nerevarine, however all the failed incarnates in that cavern...it makes it seem that she just let them try to wear the Moon n Star ring,then they died.The fact that she shows herself to the player as a Dark Elf makes me believe she, at least, wants to feel the pain of 'her people' and become one of them,regretting that she punished them all for the treachery of those 3 (both because they killed Nerevar and broke their oaths, I guess).She does indeed seem to get what she wants in the end,though.
Then there's Dagoth, well, imo he's pretty much insane, therefore a villain even if he thinks he's not.I like him for some reason anyway.
For those that played the game, do you think the player character is indeed just a pawn of Azura?
I must say that Bethesda did one hell of a job with the story.Not just another good vs evil thing and not generic.Really good job.

The player character may also be a pawn of the Empire and of the Ashlanders...and practically everybody in the game...as well as the Daedra. For that matter we do not even know for a fact that the PC is the Nereverine. Those who accept us as the Nerevarine might be doing so merely to push their own political agendas. For all we know we're just some temporarily useful chump. There is evidence to support either interpretation.

The ambiguity in this game is wonderful, one of its strong points.

The ambiguity allows for open roleplay. You can roleplay a hero of the Ashlanders, or a total agent of the Empire. Your choice. I never thought about the Daedra like that before, though.

The great thing about the game is that it doesn't rigidly define it in the end, so you're free to play it as the "pawn", to do whatever needs to be done no matter what everyone else's motivations are, or just ignore it all and go do whatever you like. The story and lore don't contradict it.

It's not really specified how most of the False Incarnates died, although several apparently met other demises unrelated to the Ring, if you talk to them. Ultimately, they tried and failed for a variety of reasons. Whether Azura prompted them into it, or whether they took it upon themselves to deal with the problem for their own reasons isn't clear.

I felt some sympathy for Dagoth Ur, because he may originally had some creditable motives for his initial behavior (Nerevar may even have ordered him to do some of what he did), but the constant influence and close association with the Heart has long since turned him into something monstrous and insane.

I'm sure that we could find out for sure the what the Daedra's relation to the Morrowind MQ was over in the Lore forum.

I remember a while back reading 36 lessons of Vivec (can't remember which one specifically), and in this particular book it seemed that Vivec was controlling Nerevar's mind some how.

Seems to me that the Tribunal were a bunch of power hungry jerks who used Nerevar more than once.

the pc is a huge pawn of just about everyone actually. Its kinda funny how in the process of saving morrowind he/she causes its destruction lol. Oh and yeah azura totally uses you to get back at the tribunal, because they insulted her once upon a time

Lol, yeah it seems like one huge soap opera now that I think about it.

it me, yes, the neravarine is azura's pawn. azura is the one who changed the chimer to dunmer. azura is the one who promised the tribunal would pay for the murder of neravar and the profane use of kargnac's tools and the heart. i'm not sure, but i think it's hinted that azura was the one who started the neravarine prophecies.

but of course, the player has the option to ignore the main quest completely.

Not only that, but

I, too, think that the ambiguity of Morrowind was its strongest point.
I don't think I ever felt tempted to join the "villain" in any other rpg
And Vivec, when you talk to him, feels like a trechearous bastard.

Edited to insert spoilers, after Spustyroons post.

Not trying to be mean but this thread is chock-full of spoilers, and that's not suppose to happen in this section as far as I can tell. Correct my noobiness if I'm wrong.

Anyway, I think it's pretty open to interpretation. Even though it's hard not to feel like a pawn while you're playing some of the time, the game can only give you so much leeway as to what decisions you make.

Like in real life, "Yes," "No," and "Dance naked on the roof after bathing in barbecue sauce" are possible choices.

In Morrowind it's more like "Yeah, I'll do that. Good thing there's like four different ways to do it."

Fixed my post.

I agree.This thread should be moved to the 'lore' forums.My fault,sorry.

After thinking a bit more about it..I think the Nerevarine is the end was used by both Azura and Vivec but even though both tried to
win the battle though him, he/she defeated Dagoth Ur who would have turned the whole freakin Tamriel into a wasteland (even though he thought he was doing noble tthings).
I dunno about those Incarnates tbh.Maybe they were all part of Nerevar, somehow.Maybe not.Maybe Azura aided them, but they failed because it was not the right time for them to come.Vivec wrote in a sermon that he would kill Nerevar again and again.There's still a chance that those..I don't know how many incarnates simply chose to give the prophecies a try.
I see it like this:
Azura drops the Nerevarine to kill the Tribunal right when they were geting weaker .Whether she gave a damn about Dagoth Ur..who knows?
Vehk saw it coming.The other Tribunes would have died or lose their power anyway...by the hands of Ur or Nerevar.
If I got it right, Vehk had already achieved CHIM by the time of the events that take place in the game.He stopped that moon which is the Ministry of Truth using Chim, right?
Vehk asks the Nerevarine to defeat Dagoth Ur.
Dagoth Ur owned.
[Nerevarine the 'ruling king' is now loved by everyone.He did good things, bad things, but mostly good.]
Vehk decided it's time to go.R--es Azura (HAHA I LOL'D HAIL THE MUATRA) and drops the bomb and chims.Fortunately that guy Sul and another one tried to keep MoT floatin, but failed in the end.

That's it.Perhaps I'm misjudging Vivec (he's an awesome character anyway).Azura did [censored]y things.Then again, she's a Deadra for a reason.She decided when, Vivec decided how.
The Nerevarine then aids CoC who aids Dovakiin, basically making things interesting instead of turning Tamriel into zombieland.
Now this is a game that gets you thinking.Good job MK Off to sleep cuz tommorow's another day.

the empire also used him to weaken morrowind, the tribunal looked to be the only thing holding them together, without them their puppet king would become more powerful

Funny when I read the title I thought you were wondering if your Personal Computer is a daedra spawn :brokencomputer: bliviongate:

Funny, because I remember having a computer like that, once.

The Nerevar the way I see it, is Azura's Champion. She used her power so he may be re-born; so he's more her loyal servant than pawn.

As for being everyone's pawn, he just played along with the game of politics. Which you have to be a bit of a pawn for politics. In the end he sets everything right, if anything he's a pawn to destiny like all ES heros.

The one main character I resented was Almalexia. Particularly when she wants the PC to bump off the former retainer of hers, who's figured out that she's crazy. So, the PC gets treated like a mule. Glad I could kill her in the end. By contrast, I never did kill Vivec in any of my games. He at least had the sense to recognise his time was over.
But this is how absorbing the game gets: When it rolled around to the time of showdown with Almalexia, I'd plan my weapon selection in advance. For instance, if I was a member of the Temple faction, maybe "Veloth's Judgement" would be an appropriate weapon for the coup de grace.
Also interesting is the fact that Almalexia was Lord Nerevar's wife. If one scoured the lore, I wonder if there would be any clue as to whether they got along well or otherwise?
As for being a pawn in a more general sense, I think it can be more true if the PC starts the Main Quest, for which he must do the bidding for the Imperials via Cosades and the Blades. But then, that's Imperial and not Daedra. Not yet.