The King And I - Thread III

Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 9:33 pm

QFT - Here! Here! Ditto! I could not say it better!!!! (Minus the part about the soap opera, double the part about not wanting to see this end !!!!!) - Triple the part that says I want to read anything else you write, regardless of the subject !!!!


I'd like to get on the mailing list too, lol. I'll eat up anything you write Rumples :drool: I think I'm already having withdrawl symptoms :cry:
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:23 am

You want to know something ridiculous. This response has taken me longer to write than most short stories I’ve written. I really wasn’t sure how I could find the words to express myself. I’m still not. This reply doesn’t do justice to the emotions I’ve felt, but I think it’s the best I can do.


You’ve entertained me, moved and amused me, had my head spinning theories (most of which I’ve shared :P ) about what these incredible characters would do next, for over half a decade. The end, now it’s come, is incredibly satisfying, seeing all of those threads finally come together. So why do I feel so sad? For the first time, I have begun to understand why people watch soap operas for decades – and no, good God no, I am not comparing this to Corrie – it’s just that...they do not want them to end.


The sight of a new Rumple post has created feelings of pure joy within me for that entire length of time. Five plus years of sheer delight. For that, all I can say is this.


THANK YOU!!!


So, what now. I guess I’ll sit here and hope that you’ll continue writing. Maybe not Elder Scrolls. Maybe not fanfiction. I don’t care what it is. If you write a piece about a bus, about a bird singing, a puddle, pigeons – I don’t care what it is – I just hope I get a chance to read it. You know how to reach me. Send me anything! I may even read all those old stories on fanfiction.net. All I need now is someone to tell me what the hell Card Captor Sakura is! ;)


Forever your loyal reader.


Oh Sierra... what can I say? I'd say you already know how I feel about you, but it never hurts to reiterate. I just can't tell you how much your constant support has meant to me. You have been a rock, and I've learnt such a lot from you. I'm sad too; it's been a hell of a ride and an incredibly fun journey, and leaving it behind is hard. But it constantly amazes me how many good friends I've made here, and how intelligent, talented and thoughtful the Elder Scrolls fandom is compared to so many others I've been involved in.

(PS... don't bother with any of the other stories on my profile :lol: I'm embarrassed of all of them except Knife's Edge, unfortunately.)

And the same gratitude goes for everyone else here. I know I keep saying it again and again, but thank you so much for sharing this with me and supporting me and being generally awesome and talented and fab! You are all amazing.

Not that I want to beat a dead horse here or anything - after projects are finished it's nice to just sit back and not feel compelled to anolyse - but if anyone has any criticism, I'd love to hear it. If you felt there were threads tied up unsatisfactorily or in a way that was displeasing; if I left any plotlines flapping; if I committed any character atrocities (too sappy? Too nasty?); go ahead and please tell me. I'm in a perpetual state of learning! I love to hear alternative opinions.

As for writing anything else... I probably won't be starting any more epics any time soon, but there are still mountains of people in Tamriel who fascinate me. Lady Brisienna and her undercover Blades stint in the Popudax Witches. Gortwog and his alliance with Elysana. Empress Katariah and her conspiracy-riddled death in Black Marsh. The fued between Kintyra and Queen Potema, and the War of the Red Diamond...

I guess time will tell ;)
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 3:25 am


- but if anyone has any criticism, I'd love to hear it. go ahead and please tell me. I'm in a perpetual state of learning! I love to hear alternative opinions.




The whole thing was just too darn short! ARGH!


(just kidding)


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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 5:04 am

The whole thing was just too darn short! ARGH!


(just kidding)


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:lol: *SQUISH*
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:43 am

:lol: *SQUISH*



ROFL !!! It was worth the try, lol.
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:27 am

Forgive the lateness of my reply—I finally finished your story about a month ago (after about a year’s hiatus from reading it—sorry!) and have been meaning to post comments but keep getting distracted by life. Since I read it over a two year period with gigantic breaks in between, my memory might be a little hazy, so if something I say doesn’t make sense, chalk it up to the sporadic reading schedule. As a writer, nothing makes me feel like the work was worth it more than someone rambling on about what I’ve written, so prepare for some rambling.

First of all, the relationship you’ve created between the Wayrest royals is for me the highlight of the story. Others have commented on the dinner scene where Helseth flips out in chapter 23, and I think it might be the best section of many good sections. You have the ability to tell a moving story by simply putting characters together in a room, without resorting to any “special effects” as it were.

Yes, for a story set in a world of fantasy and magic you do spend a lot of time with people sitting around in a room talking. Rather than a detriment, I think that’s part of what gives you a unique voice as a writer. Fantasy writing, and obviously the Elder Scrolls lore, is, with a few exceptions, a male dominated field, and I feel that your voice is uniquely feminine and sensitive—and I mean that as a definite compliment. (My creative writing teacher once told me that my writing voice was incredibly sensitive for a man’s—years later I’m still trying to determine if that was a compliment). The things that make your story so memorable—the tender, emotional bond between Nenya and Caius and of course the deep, complex relationship with Morgiah and KoW—would never occur to most male fantasy writers, and it’s the genre’s loss. You are able to spot potential emotional relationships and make them as interesting as riding around on a horse killing things, and that’s no small feat.

My biggest problem with the story is somewhat minor in the big scheme of things, but ties in with the relationship between Morgiah and Helseth. I just didn’t buy that Morgiah failed to believe Helseth was behind all the scheming. After sending Nenya and Bomba halfway around the world to look into what was going on, it seems pretty irresponsible to dismiss their account. This is the same Helseth who is widely rumored to have killed the previous king and who very recently wrestled with his own sister at dinner. He’s clearly capable of a pretty fiendish plot, as Morgiah well knows, and I’m not sure the magnitude can count as a defense.

That said, I fully understand why Morgiah would want to believe Helseth wasn’t capable of such things. I think the problem is that there is disconnect between the relationship we know Morgiah and Helseth had as children, and the relationship we see them having as advlts. The Helseth we, the audience, see is unbalanced and dangerous, and we never get a good glimpse at the Helseth Morgiah remembers, the Helseth that she would risk all of Morrowind’s safety to think the best of. On the other hand, it’s definitely tough to include positive memories without descending into melodramatic schmaltz, so I’m not sure if there’s a clear cut solution. Just something to think about I guess.

Similarly, while I loved the ending with Morgiah and Helseth together in Vivec’s chambers, I’d like to know a little more about how Dunmer society, and Morgiah herself, would feel about what she did. In some societies she’d look on herself as a murderer, but in say, the Roman Republic, she’d be voted Sister of the Year. I’m inclined to think the Dunmer tend toward the latter view, but future Dunmer scandal mongers would certainly have a field day if they ever discovered Morgiah became queen based on the murder of Helseth over a conspiracy for which there is now no evidence. In any case, it was a very moving moment, so I suppose I’m just asking you as the author how you think Morgiah views her actions.

Finally (yes, this will have an end) I was admittedly a little disappointed with the whole ‘first artifact’ angle. But after thinking it over, there’s absolutely nothing you could have done that would have lived up to 14 years of expectations from that mysterious Daggerfall note. (I bet that has something to do with why Bethesda abandoned the plotline). Even if it was one of the more scandalous things that have been suggested, I doubt after so long even a lengthy Dunmer-on-lich six scene would have satisfied expectations. (Fingers crossed for deleted scenes, though ;)). I think you made a good move by deciding what it was, sticking to it, and getting on with the story. The artifact angle makes perfect sense, and it brings about one of my favorite segments, Morgiah’s journey to the witches. They were one of my favorite aspects of Daggerfall that have been poorly explored in subsequent games, so I wouldn’t mind in the least if a certain fan-fictioneer devoted another 7 or so years of her life to a story about them. :)

Anyway, those were my bullet points, jotted on a post-it note back in November. I used to advise people on how to make their writing more “marketable” on a semi-professional basis, so if you wanted I could find things to cut here and there. But a lot of the fun of fan-fiction is you don’t really have to worry about cutting things out if you like them and they work. You said long ago that you weren’t really interested in publication, etc. (I can’t say I blame you) so I’ll avoid advice like “more action by page 17!” I find that sort of anolysis limiting for writers, which is why I don’t do it anymore!

You’ve been working on this since, what, 2003? That’s a feat in and of itself. That you’ve been able to keep control of something this sprawling with so many characters for so many years is nothing short of astonishing. An enormous part of writing is finding the discipline to get to the end of something—an idea that made you giddy in 2004 can seem like a chore by 2005 and slave labor by 2010, but your writing pops with enthusiasm from the first page to the last. Keep it up—I’d love to see more writing from you in the future. No rush though. After all this, you’re more than entitled to a break!
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Post » Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:38 pm

I can't believe it's taken me so long to see this :( I feel really bad! Thank you so much for taking the time to write such a thoughful critique.

I love that you picked out the dinner scene, because I think that is my favourite and the one I'm proudest of. It's also interesting what you said about the fantasy genre and femininity - it's true, while I love the action and sword-and-sorcery to watch, play or read, when I'm writing I tend not to focus on it so much. I guess I feel like emotional relationships can seem new and fresh when thrown into a genre that doesn't normally focus on them. If I was writing fanfiction on chick-lit, I'd probably have them all riding dragons instead :D

Your comment about Morgiah's blindness is totally right, and I don't know what to do about it either. I doubt that I will ever rewrite this story now, and it's such a huge issue that I can't think of any way round it bar simply starting again. it was necessary for the plot for Morgiah not to confront Helseth too soon, but it was clumsily done and I guess that can just be attributed to the fact that K&I was my first shot at a novel-length story. I didn't plan as well as I could; I just went with the flow, and looking back, it shows. It's a lesson learned, though. If I ever decide to write something this long again, I'll probably put more energy into making a comprehensible plot rather than just cobbling stuff together and hoping the charm of the characters will see it through.

I also find your Roman Empire-type suggestions incredibly interesting. I glossed over the social reception to Helseth's death (I assumed the public would believe he died at Red Mountain with his treasonous plans, but I neither showed nor told that), partly because the end was in sight and I was desperate to finish at that point, but also partly because I thought it might complicate and weigh down the ending. I find it very interesting, but I have a feeling it would balloon into an entirely different story. Still, if I were to add bits and pieces to the finished text, I might insert a line or two indicating not every member of the population thought Morgiah was any better than Helseth.

I'm so glad you enjoyed this journey, and really, I feel so privileged to have such a lengthy piece of constructive criticism crafted for me. K&I is going into retirement now, but for future projects... well, your comments will be invaluable! Now I just have to refresh my memory on High Rock Covens while this new plotbunny takes shape... ;)
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:40 am

Last night we had a flood in the house. Second one in 6 months. First one destroyed the roof in the living room, and we ended up being put up in a cheap hotel by the insurance till just before Christmas. Still haven't received the insurance money, we have no furniture, and now the living room has been hit again (but nowhere near as badly). And yet, despite moping around at work all day thinking the universe's sole purpose is to royally piss me off, ( :violin: ), I now have a hopeful smile on my face. Why?

Now I just have to refresh my memory on High Rock Covens while this new plotbunny takes shape... ;)


I needed that smile.

:cookie:
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Post » Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:58 pm

Oh Sierra, you poor thing! Flooding is so awful. I hope you and the lady of the (flooded) house are ok. <3
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