The lack of Infernal City lore in Skyrim *spoilers* : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 10:20 am

the keyes books were crap and we should all pretend they never happened, until they are destroyed from the pattern of possibility.

What we really need (as I've said before) is a kirkbride penned graphic novel in the style of redgaurd. That way we'd all get our tes fix, and Bethesda could give it the same level of canonicity as the the rest of his writings.

*That was more cynical than I intended, and I'm not sure that canonicity is a word...

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:10 pm

[snip] What we really need (as I've said before) is a kirkbride penned graphic novel [snip]

This, please!

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:11 pm

Doesn't Ysolda (the one we need to bring a mammoth tusk) tell us that the glowing tree maybe appeared decause the seed dropped from a floating city, wouldn't that be referring to the novels?

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:33 pm

Where is that found?

Nearly the "Refugees tower" not far east from Windhelm.

Regarding Umbriel... 160 years is a helluva lot of time, It would be the same as people commenting on the Oblivion crysis, and that affected them more directly and had a wider area of effect.
An ingame book on It would have been nice, though.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:02 am

No idea, I'm just going through the extracted text files

The text is in the most logical place.
On the road from Morrowind into Skyrim, nearest Windhelm.

Warning, largeish images.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/Qazicle/RefugeeRest1.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/Qazicle/RefugeeRest2.png
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v310/Qazicle/RefugeeRest3.png

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:07 am

Much thanks. I'd been there, but apparently not found that text (probably cause I was running away from bears and/or bandits).

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 6:03 pm

The Argonian invasion happened in the books, right?[haven't had the chance to read 'em yet]

Well, there's Brand-Shei , a Dunmer raised by Argonians who you get to do a small quest for, and during it you find a journal which mentions the invasion.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 4:00 pm

Nope. According to that journal the invasion took place in 4E6, while the novels are closer to 4E43. The novels do mention the invasion and its aftermath, though.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:53 pm

Nope. According to that journal the invasion took place in 4E6, while the novels are closer to 4E43. The novels do mention the invasion and its aftermath, though.

So apparently there was more than one invasion?

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 3:39 pm

So apparently there was more than one invasion?

Why? The Argonians came in and stayed in for a while, and I'm sure several waves were probably involved, but I don't think it there were multiple invasions as such.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:06 pm

two reasons:
- Skyrim wasn't touched by the passing
- There was another big event much later, much more relevant to skyrim - the great war

True. But the Oblivion invasion never touched Skyrim either, yet they were talking about that. How do you explain that? My reason is that Bethesda doesn't expect most of their audience to read the books, although if they did talk about lore from the books, it may be a good advertisemant method to get kids to go buy them and read. Or perhaps, Bethesda doesn't regard the lore in the books as canon, which would be very disappointing if true. Whatever the reason is, I do not like that they didn't include any of the new lore into TESV, like what the OP was saying.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:32 pm

But the Oblivion invasion never touched Skyrim either, yet they were talking about that.

Yes it did. Every province was invaded.

Though the only direct reference to the Ob crisis I've seen is the book "The Oblivion Crisis", which is essentially just the plot synopsis of the MQ. Honestly, that book felt so out of place, it wasn't funny. It was written so matter-of-factly, no writer bias, not tie ins to future or past events, no speculation, nothing... just the game's plot put to words.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 9:57 am

Yes it did. Every province was invaded.

Though the only direct reference to the Ob crisis I've seen is the book "The Oblivion Crisis", which is essentially just the plot synopsis of the MQ. Honestly, that book felt so out of place, it wasn't funny. It was written so matter-of-factly, no writer bias, not tie ins to future or past events, no speculation, nothing... just the game's plot put to words.

That was a little weird. I read it expecting some stuff to be blown out of proportion, but nope. Pretty matter of fact really...

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:11 pm

Yes it did. Every province was invaded.

Though the only direct reference to the Ob crisis I've seen is the book "The Oblivion Crisis", which is essentially just the plot synopsis of the MQ. Honestly, that book felt so out of place, it wasn't funny. It was written so matter-of-factly, no writer bias, not tie ins to future or past events, no speculation, nothing... just the game's plot put to words.

Yeah, it was pretty lame. The least they could've done is told us a little about how Skyrim fared during the crisis!

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:22 pm

Yes it did. Every province was invaded.

Though the only direct reference to the Ob crisis I've seen is the book "The Oblivion Crisis", which is essentially just the plot synopsis of the MQ. Honestly, that book felt so out of place, it wasn't funny. It was written so matter-of-factly, no writer bias, not tie ins to future or past events, no speculation, nothing... just the game's plot put to words.

My bad. I haven't read the second book yet. I need to go buy it.

» Thu Dec 08, 2011 7:55 am

Well, check out our own world history. WWII is talked about a lot more than WWI. Why? Because it was many times bigger and much, much more destructive than WWI.

Skyrim talks about the Oblivion Crisis because there were Oblivion gates opening up in Skyrim as well. The book just explains how all that managed to stop.

It takes about the Great War, which pretty much plunged all of Tamriel straight into Hell.

No one talks about the floating city thing because

a ) Some Nords don't want to believe that nonsense that a city can float in the air. Because it didn't reach them, it means little to them.

b ) The Great War that ended only 30 years prior to Skyrim is still fresh in everyone's memories. Oh, yeah, and dragons are coming back and there's a civil war raging.

WWI impact is far greater than WWII, WWI actually set teh world up for WWII.

IN the same sense the Oblivion Crisis has spawned everything up till now. The Thalmor coups, the rebellions against the empire etc.. is all because of the Oblivion Crisis. Umbriel hasn't done much, it was a small scar compared to the impact, and i thsi way is not a great event.

I'm a little upset we only see small snippets of the Great War.