Something that bugged me about Skyrim, and is somewhat lore-related, is that Bethesda went to all this trouble getting Greg Keyes to write The Infernal City and Lord of Souls, and then pretty much completely disregarded all the new lore it introduced.

Oh, so a floating city from Oblivion (there's something you don't see every day) invaded Tamriel 160 years ago and turned everyone into zombies? Nope, nobody cares, they're still busy talking about Martin Septim. Clavicus Vile especially doesn't care.

So the new Empire is ruled by the Mede Dynasty? Nope, the Dark Brotherhood killed him. Gotta come up someone new.

Remember all those cool new Daedra? Like the scorpion/hornet/spider that Sul summoned? What about Hobs? Nope, all we get are Atronachs.

Hell, remember Jyggalag? Not a guy from the novel, sure, but what the hell happened to him?

Pretty much the only thing that stuck was the Thalmor.

A.) Bethesda doesn't want to spoil the events of the novels. They DO want people to buy them, after all.

B.) We're in a world where tree-cities walk, demons invade, and the News Of The Day is a continent-spanning war not long ago. Also, Umbriel never hit Skyrim. They have other things to talk about.

Nobody cared about Umbriel. It never happened.

Ever.

:whistling:

two reasons:
- Skyrim wasn't touched by the passing
- There was another big event much later, much more relevant to skyrim - the great war

The Oblivion Crisis got a book which only touched on what happened in Cyrodiil.

It's not just Umbriel I'm talking about. We've had 200 years of Medes ruling Tamriel, but all we hear about is Pelagius the Mad, Tiber, Uriel VII and Martin. Not one word about Attrebus or Titus the first.

The Sleeping Tree from the Sleeping Tree giant camp was rumored to have grown from a spore/seedling cast down from a floating city in the sky, which seems like a pretty direct reference to Lord of Souls, and would also make the Sleeping Tree a proto-Hist or whatever the trees on Umbriel were. Apart from that, though, I can't remember any other references, indirect or otherwise, apart from the obvious references to the Red Year.

For a second there, I thought you were me (I used to have the same avatar)

Assuming the DB Questline is Canon.



That is a bit of a oversight. I keep hoping to see a Priest of Order wandering around, but nope.

I'll take "things Wulfharth said to Talos" for $500, Alex.

It says NOWHERE That Titus ll was the Last Mede, Despite me LOVING The medes I Hope His death is Canonical since it was by far One of the best written And Well done scenes In Tes History!(And im Glad that Titus At long last got some rest....

I knew my signature was going to come in handy.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Rising_Threat,_Vol._IV explains how the Mede empire started, but this is, as far as I can tell, the closest any book gets to the forbidden years covered by the two novels, with The Great War picking up afterwards. I honestly would have settled for even one book mentioning it, I mean it was kind of a big deal.

What did John Hancock say on July 3rd, 1776?

CHIM for $300.

EDIT: Wait, are you /v/'s Alpharius? I thought you avoided forums because they were all crappy.

I wouldn't be suprised if a DLC will be centered around the books.... but well... doesn't say much.... I also wouldn't be suprised if a DLC was centered around the Thalmor, Morrowind, Orsinium, Solstheim, Paarthunax, A Daedric realm and so on....

I don't like the "New Lore" the novel introduced at all. So I'm glad they ignored it.
Bethesda should decide what's lore and what's not. (or "how much")

One thing that bothers me the most is that the author seems to love argonians.

Thats because not being totally up to date with TES lore, or particularly familiar with TES races, the author saw the races, the relationships between the races and concluded Dunmer + Argonians = America in the 1950's.

Well, check out our own world history. WWII is talked about a lot more than WWI. Why? Because it was many times bigger and much, much more destructive than WWI.

Skyrim talks about the Oblivion Crisis because there were Oblivion gates opening up in Skyrim as well. The book just explains how all that managed to stop.

It takes about the Great War, which pretty much plunged all of Tamriel straight into Hell.

No one talks about the floating city thing because

a ) Some Nords don't want to believe that nonsense that a city can float in the air. Because it didn't reach them, it means little to them.

b ) The Great War that ended only 30 years prior to Skyrim is still fresh in everyone's memories. Oh, yeah, and dragons are coming back and there's a civil war raging.

When in reality it's probably closer to America in the 1830's, with a dash of America in the 1600's for that special zing? bliviongate:

It would've been a whole lot more interesting reading about the great war than some trite floating city and their warring kitchens.

It think that most of the lore that happened on the ground (Vvardenfell erupting, the Argonians invading, the Thalmor rising, and so on) during the books was Bethesda's doing, and most everything that happened on Umbriel was Keyes' doing, because at the end of Lord of Souls the island, and all the new things introduced on it is sent to an unknown realm, presumably forever. Which was a good way to let Keyes be creative but also not make much of a lasting impact on the overall lore of the series. So you guys are probably getting mad at him for something he didn't write (the Argonian invasion). Keyes was apparently able to bounce questions off the loremasters at Bethesda, so it's not like Keyes alone is responsible for everything that happened in the 200 years before Skyrim.

The Oblivion crisis was all over Tamriel. It was a large-scale crisis, if you will. They had to find out what happened. Since Umbriel only affected Cyrodiil and nowhere else, it wasn't of much importance. That, or Bethesda is too lazy.

As I recall, it wrecked parts of the Black Marsh as well. Depending upon the radius at which the city zombified, it could have easily reduced a wide swathe of territory stretching from Lilmoth to Stormhold in its march to Vivec to lifelessness.

Found http://imperial-library.info/content/skyrim-decree-monument, if a rather indirect one.

(picked this thread of rather than others largely at random)

Where is that found?

No idea, I'm just going through the extracted text files