SPOILERS!!!! I MEAN CRAZY SPOILERS!



This was all that was played in the trailer. this is what you heard.

the second verse is more dark and ominous



In English now.



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Funny thing about this language is that when it is translated to English, it rhymes XD

It is made up of northern european sounding words, English,German,Russian,Scandinavian, and also French it seems...not too sure of the last one but "Zeymah"? thats french right?

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So now to my theory of the meaning of this text pertaining to the plot and the possible language in skyrim.

We all know that the Nords are of Scandinavian design
they are basically barbarian tribes of viking and Norse themed people with a Scottish accent.
but that was just the VA who had the accent, i however seem to think something different is going to happen in skyrim with the voiced parts of the nords or just anyone who speaks THIS language.
i expect to see many more voice actors than usual and all with an accent similar to the vocalists in the teaser.
but now to my take on this EPIC puzzle and the meaning behind the poem.

Cipher 8 has pointed you in the right direction, for those who actually took him serious and not fall into that "AKAVIR" nonsense.


Alduin the world eater. Akatosh to the cyrodilics and to anyone under worship of the imperial gods. He will be the antagonist...but hes NOT a bad guy. He was bound to mortality by designs of lorkhan and tricked into becoming a shell of his former godhood and creating the mortal plain known as Mundus. This is also part of the reason that lorkhan is not in the 9 devines but is included in the nordic pantheon. He just has been freed from the chains of the empire by Martin Septim.

the nords call him "the world eater" and their story of creation has to do with him and lorkhan!
Lorkhan is SHOR, and the life giver of the nords and included in the nordic pantheon and worshiped in place of Alduin.

Alduin has been freed from the bounds of the amulet of kings and no longer is bound to servitude of the empire. He is not quite a god but his godhood comes soon with the devouring of the mortal world which is his biggest chain to mortality.

CIPHER! care to add? ill quote you in anything you say.
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ok now what i assume from this and the trailer is that this language may be...old.
it might be the pre-empire language of the original skyrim kingdom. from the primitive language of atmora.
The stone tablet that depicts the dragons siege looks to be from a long, long time before this was set.

and yes this language is based in languages that are still spoken in some form today even, so my point was..or more my QUESTIONS are...

Does this language exist in skyrim today?
if so...

do they have branching dialects?
do they have regional accents?
does bethesda have alot more voice actors?
if not a'lot more, do they distort the voices they have to make each npc unique?
will there be more languages involved than just the native and english?

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and my final question is about the puzzle itself.
will we have these things in game?
that would make book reading MUCH more interesting than just learning lore.

Its been said like everywhere........ its a crafted language for the game. And I can assure you Zeymah is NOT french. Also you should have put the translation and deciphered text in a spoiler box. It rhymes in english because it was written in english and THEN "coded" you dont really think Beth Devs go around the office speaking in invented game languages do you?

I would.... *shrugs* anyone else? haha

I would as well...
If only it was a complete language and not a few words...


Then again, do we want them to devote that much time on our inner geek?
Probably not...

yeah kinda re-stating things i already said, but i thank you on your criticism, i goofed and hit the submit button on accident.
its more than just a spoiler.

So no Falmer? Aww . . . . :sadvaultboy:

If the language were complete, I would only talk, and start threads in that language, to keep noobs to a bare min. :toughninja:

In the tongue of the Ayleidoon, as oiobala angua, a adma ni.

OK! i fixed it. its up for reading now.
SORRY SO VEERRY VERRY SORRY!!!!

I'm with you there, I totally would!

And it is pretty funny that lore-wise its meant to be originally in draconic... but when translated to "common" (or the english version of whatever they speak in Tamriel) it suddenly rhymes. LOL. What a coincidence.

I would too, the language is highly badass sounding in the teaser.
and its not like the thallasian language warcraft stole straight out of tolkein lore.
this one is based in real life.
and i think this story is too.

but the dude is right, in some respects. the language was built like that for a reason, and in the trailer it rhymed also in certain parts.
why it doesn't read that way i dont know, i think its how those words are pronounced.

Very nice thread senju and thanks for the shoutout in the op. Nothing really to add right now just waiting for the magazine for a bit more like everybody else :thumbsup:

The translation from Draconic into Tamrielic is not direct. Its the same reason Russian poetry can be made to rhyme in English or why there are translations of Dante's Inferno with metre intact.

Akatosh is a golden dragon. Alduin is (apparently) a black dragon. Auriel isn't a dragon at all. They just happen to occupy the same aedric plane.

While King Edward probably isn't canon after Morrowind (if it ever was, considering how it abruptly devolved from narrative into in-jokes and what appear to be the notes from a dev discussion about metaphysics), some things in it might be. Akatosh was the Dragon God of Time even in Daggerfall (wherein the book was written), yet in the book he seemed to be just a mortal golden dragon, though Mara, Auriel, and so on existed as known and worshipped deities even then. The book described how the dragons retreated from the world because they were opposed to the Aurielic pantheon, though Akatosh was advising them to let go and accept it; he was also actively trying to actively build a small, secluded society where all sapient races were accepted and lived together in harmony. One could argue that the relative racial/ethnic tolerance brought about by the empire and particularly seen in Cyrodiil is the result of his influence on the Empire.

As interesting as the last sections of King Edward are, I only bring it up to point out that if that is canon, then Akatosh was able to mantle Auriel at some point. He didn't replace Auriel, however, he just fulfilled a similar mythic role for humans. However, the plane is the god, so in a certain sense they are now the same being (just like J and S). Because of Akatosh's draconic nature becoming strongly associated with the plane of Time, another less benevolent mortal dragon could have more easily become mythically associated with Akatosh/Auriel and mantled the plane a third time. That is, Alduin would have been a powerful but mortal black dragon at one point, even while Akatosh and Auriel were gods.

What does that suggest? Whatever we end up doing with the mortal dragons, we would pretty much have to succeed where the Marukhati Selective failed to fight Alduin without affecting Auriel and Akatosh in the process. And whatever mechanism we used to do so would represent a risk to every other god, especially the contentious ones like Talos.

sorry i didn't mean to offend you or anyone. i wanted some clarification. hence the question mark.
do you know what language it is?
German?

Has anyone noticed that the lyrics to the second stanza fit perfectly with the VGA chanting? Just my two cents

gotcha. good point. they may or may not be the same, but are loosely associated as the same probably due to the empire or misconception.
but im still pretty sure that they are the same, its the nords that made the distinction of him being threatening, just as the aldmeri (with good reason) made Lorkhan out to be a trickster. and why the Daedra are frowned upon.
its all about misunderstanding and interpretation. and none of what we read should be considered fact, its mostly speculation-[even on the dev's part it seems].
its an evolving theory and thanks for your input.

You guys see what i'm talking about? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiWEUNjDB6Y

like the numidium?
or something that hasn't been thought of yet?
something having to do with the moon?
i have wanted to see something about that for a while.

i wonder what gods would be willing to take the side of mortality?
perhaps we awaken Shor and end the speculation once and for all?
im really for expansion of the lore. its getting too hard to see with everyones opinions.

So, the Nine Divines, formerly known as the Eight divines, will be the Eight Divines again? :tongue:

oh yeah, i hadnt had the chance to look at that since decryption. wow. yeah..i cant make out the words but its true. it seems like they are chanting in the "dragontongue"?
lol

I know little of other languages aside from Latin and Classical Greek, and I believe I can say with some level of certainty that neither of them have a place in "Dragon Language".

On a side note, the interrelations between different faiths in Elder Scrolls has always confused me. The Imperials and Nords, both human races, should share a common faith to oppose the elves, no? Why is it that the Nordic pantheon differs from the Imperial pantheon almost as much as the elves do? Why doesn't Lorkhan have a place in Cyrodiilic faith when he serves the same role of "Lifegiver" to all of the human races, not just Nords exclusively? The Imperials revere Akatosh, while the Nords fear Alduin (This song basically vilifies him) and his role in Skyrim is the devourer of worlds, a belief absent in the empire. Someone, somewhere has got to be going about this all wrong. Unless the dragon broke. In which case a lot of random stuff just happens that I don't even want to understand. I personally plan to break a lot of dragons in Elder Scrolls V.

How is it that we can stop a god from devouring the world? In Fight One of the Seven Fights of the Aldudagga, it sounded like a pretty bad thing if the dragon can't eat the world. And who is there to oppose him? We Martin gave a thorough beat down to Dagon in Oblivion, the only entity who has ever confronted him about this situation. Does this even make any sense? I just don't know anymore. My head hurts and it's very late.

Arcta! Suna Ni!

I have an interesting idea [shot in the dark], Akatosh was considered to be almost equal to his peer lorkhan, when he was bound to the mortal plane his spirit was shattered into many aspects of his former self.
the most powerful of his fragments are alduin and akatosh maybe.
im sure they are one being somehow related.
i think the Aldmeri were too pious to think of alternatives to the belief, and too up their own *** to accept the humans belief for what it is.
i dont know either. pure speculation and a little bit of random nonsense :tongue: .

The question for me is: Who's perspective is the poem being told from?... It seems like most assume it to be Nordic, but then, why is it written in dragon?

It seems that either the Nords are writing in dragon, the dragon themselves are praying for the dragonborn's blessing, or, dragons and Nords are potentially working towards the same ends...