The Legal battle of the Caesar's Legion

Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:15 am

I deleted a few posts so gently guys please. Try to work through it and take the language differences into account. OK?

Thank you
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Catharine Krupinski
 
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 1:42 am

But the game is'nt in your country, It's in america, I'm just saying what our view is.


I know who Fallout is in America. This games has make some reference from the Italy. But my country has influence your nation, is impossible to don't see
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 5:11 am

Italians have bigger problems that sueing people and lawsuits which dont exist in Post-Nuclear Earth. They need to buil a new civilization. Whats to say tehy even have heard of this law, or even heard of old world lawsuits.

I do not doubt that the European people could start piecing together new nations but why whould they be all

"Hey dude lets go to America and enforce a lawsuit, and sue them if tehy copying us for a money that does not even have an exchange rate and ther is no global market, and its totally worthless and a waste of time but it be chill so lets od it."

"yah dude."

They would totally do that.
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Julia Schwalbe
 
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 4:36 am

The game makes reference to things coming from italy, I don't think it references Italy and its nation itself.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 9:51 am

I know who Fallout is in America. This games has make some reference from the Italy. But my country has influence your nation, is impossible to don't see


Is also impossible to don't see canon. Canon says Europe = smoking crater.

Therefore, your roving team of international lawyers would be busy trying to keep from starving to death in the smoking radioactive hole that used to be Italy, see?

You can repeat your "But they could have..." all you want- canon says they didn't. Fallout Universe History says they were in the middle of the resource wars and got devastated just like everyone else.

Get it?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 5:49 am

Is also impossible to don't see canon. Canon says Europe = smoking crater.

Therefore, your roving team of international lawyers would be busy trying to keep from starving to death in the smoking radioactive hole that used to be Italy, see?

You can repeat your "But they could have..." all you want- canon says they didn't. Fallout Universe History says they were in the middle of the resource wars and got devastated just like everyone else.

Get it?


No
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 2:25 am

Hi everyone i've see who Caesar copy the style of the Ancient Rome, so i've think a possible idea for the Fallout Universe and Time Line.
Without a serious study of the Pre bellic law and history Caesar don't discover a law make by the ONU before his failure and the Fall of the bombs, in the 2057: where in Macao,China was built a mega casinò who satirise the past and the history of the Italy, so the Italian goverment denounce with an international legal action who show in a big Insurance and Protection of Italian cultural heritage, and thus requiring that anyone would use elmenti alluding any reference to Italian history, had to pay eNom tasse.Una law that was recognized by the UN and set to all nations, making the casino is close to Macao, but also one in Las Vegas. Subsequently, Mr. House will buy it builds upon the Lucky 38.


Meanwhile, while the events of Fallout, were taking place in the Americas, Europe had re-founded the European Union mainly controlled by Italy, Germany, France, Spain, England and Switzerland. Cosìuna establishing new era of prosperity (note that the EU has not suffered terrible nuclear damage, like America, and could recover very quickly faster than the U.S.).
Today, the U. E. has sent scouts and explorers all over the world to see what remains of the "old" world, especially in America, Russia and China.
And here we come to New Vegas where an Italian scout discovered a cruel man with disgust that he copied out of greed and power, the customs and culture of ancient Rome. So the explorer wants to sue for plagiarism Caesar and copyright infringement laws by resorting to pre-war who are still in force, and that Caesar ignores completely.


What do you think?


I think I grasp the concept but I'm unclear on the motivation and application of your point. And BTW don't apologize for your English, I'm sure that I can understand it much better than I could your Italian (being a proud and lazy American I managed to flunk several languages while scraping by in English :sadvaultboy: )

Are you proposing a scenario for added content for FONV? If so I have several problems with it, not the least being that the USA and China have never subscribed to the World Court—much less the EU. I doubt that it would have much effect. Besides with the lack of a cohesive rule of law in the US everyone would probably just thumb their nose at Europe.

Secondly I think that while Italy could send a passel of angry diplomatic notes, even in today's litigious world they wouldn't have much of a case. Remember when France tried to stamp out English terms? And that was within their own borders. it's doubtful that the Italian government could (even if it wanted to) lay claim to the likeness of Caesar or the concept of the roman army. It would be akin to Greece claiming ownership of representative democracy.

Am I missing your point?
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 1:11 am

I know who Fallout is in America. This games has make some reference from the Italy. But my country has influence your nation, is impossible to don't see


It can be said that a lot of countries have influenced a lot of other countries in various ways. Mexico was also referenced more specifically in New Vegas, but as far as I know it was all but wiped out in the Final War.

To give a ficticious example (to avoid any semblance of political comments), the game could be set in let us say Thatcountry and during the game makes reference and or mentions things about/from Ymcountry, but the comments/references in the game are mainly anecdotal or are there to help explain something in the game. They don't mean that Ymcountry should be the main antagonist of any DLC or subsuquent part in the series.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:22 pm

If the Italians can sue Caesar's legion for copyright infringment, then I want the Enclave to court martial the Brotherhood of Steel....

Prehaps a mix of Fallout and Phoenix Wright?

OBJECTION!
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 3:11 am

It can be said that a lot of countries have influenced a lot of other countries in various ways. Mexico was also referenced more specifically in New Vegas, but as far as I know it was all but wiped out in the Final War.

To give a ficticious example (to avoid any semblance of political comments), the game could be set in let us say Thatcountry and during the game makes reference and or mentions things about/from Ymcountry, but the comments/references in the game are mainly anecdotal or are there to help explain something in the game. They don't mean that Ymcountry should be the main antagonist of any DLC or subsuquent part in the series.


is true
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 1:12 am

No
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 7:39 am

Europe is a smoldering crater. You think Europe has problems now? How about a Europe with no gasoline? Every SINGLE country was nuked during the Great War. In Fallout canon, the E.U dissolved, it broke up. Europe turned into many little countries.

In Italian:

L'Europa è un cratere fumante. Pensi che l'Europa ha problemi ora? Come su un'Europa senza benzina? Ogni singolo paese è stato nuked durante la Grande Guerra. In canon Fallout, il E.U sciolto, si sciolse. L'Europa si trasformò in molti piccoli paesi.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 11:06 pm

His story makes more sense than the one of Fallout 3, honestly.


If people didn't get it, that was intended as a joke. His story of a post-nuclear lawsuits made me laugh, though.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:26 am

Apart from them jokes: about 200 years have passed since the fall of the bombs, and it is possible that life has returned to Europe and restabilizzato is really a government that follows the patterns pre-war European
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 1:33 am

Europe is a smoldering crater. You think Europe has problems now? How about a Europe with no gasoline? Every SINGLE country was nuked during the Great War. In Fallout canon, the E.U dissolved, it broke up. Europe turned into many little countries.

In Italian:

L'Europa è un cratere fumante. Pensi che l'Europa ha problemi ora? Come su un'Europa senza benzina? Ogni singolo paese è stato nuked durante la Grande Guerra. In canon Fallout, il E.U sciolto, si sciolse. L'Europa si trasformò in molti piccoli paesi.

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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 7:21 am

Secondly I think that while Italy could send a passel of angry diplomatic notes, even in today's litigious world they wouldn't have much of a case. Remember when France tried to stamp out English terms? And that was within their own borders. it's doubtful that the Italian government could (even if it wanted to) lay claim to the likeness of Caesar or the concept of the roman army. It would be akin to Greece claiming ownership of representative democracy.


Nevermind the most likely outcome of trying to slap Caesar with a lawsuit: a pack of lawyers on crosses.

Am I missing your point?


Nope, looks like you've understood what he wants perfectly: a DLC where Europe/Italy slaps Caesar with a Cease and Desist order based on copyright infringement or defamation of national character.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 4:24 am

is possible who some european invest they resourch in some others powers
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 10:55 am

is possible who some european invest they resourch in some others powers


You don't understand. Europe had gone to hell BEFORE the Great War. Imagine riots happening 24/7 with no riot police! That is how Europe was before the Great War.

In Italian:

Tu non capisci. L'Europa era andata per l'inferno prima della Grande Guerra. Immaginate scontri accadendo 24 / 7 con nessuna polizia anti-sommossa! è così che l'Europa era prima della Grande Guerra.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 3:28 am

You don't understand. Europe had gone to hell BEFORE the Great War. Imagine riots happening 24/7 with no riot police! That is how Europe was before the Great War.

In Italian:

Tu non capisci. L'Europa era andata per l'inferno prima della Grande Guerra. Immaginate scontri accadendo 24 / 7 con nessuna polizia anti-sommossa! è così che l'Europa era prima della Grande Guerra.


Really? I've never read anything like that.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 12:17 am

Apart from them jokes: about 200 years have passed since the fall of the bombs, and it is possible that life has returned to Europe and restabilizzato is really a government that follows the patterns pre-war European


It is possible that there are governments in Europe that are well established but I doubt they would be any better off then what we have seen in Fallout. Its possible they are rebuilding towns and maybe some cities but I doubt there would be a New EU that is sending copy right lawyers to America.

Any talk about the The Roman Empire comes from American pre-war history books. Characters Learned Latin from old gladiator holotapes and medical books. Italy was not even a unified country till sometime in the early 1800s so Italy did not have that big of impact on America. Roman Empire effected all of western culture but not modern Italy.

Anyways going off topic there. Still Fallout has a well established canon. We know that Europe along with the rest of the world was nuked to radioactive cinders. Before the great war most if not all resources were gone. Making it very unlikely that any county would be 100% back to pre-war levels. I say odds would be 10 billion to 1.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:35 pm

Really? I've never read anything like that.


Europe disloved into many bittering states with almost no protection. Even now, Europe has riots like crazy, so imagine a weakened Europe.

And yes, Europe disolved BEFORE the great war.


Europa disloved in molti stati amaricante con quasi nessuna protezione. Anche ora, l'Europa ha sommosse come un matto, così immaginare un indebolito l'Europa.

E sì, l'Europa sciolto prima della Grande Guerra.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 4:37 am

Really? I've never read anything like that.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkBNKa2KXZE

"Petroleum and Uranium, for these resources China would invade Alaska, the US would annex Canada and the European Commonwealth would dissolve into quarrelling bickering nation states bent on controlling the last remaining resources on earth.

In 2077 the storm of world war had come again. In two brief hours most of the planet was reduce to cinders and from the ashes of nuclear devistation a new civilization would struggle to arise.

Spears of nuclear fire rianed down from the skies. Continents were swallowed in flames and fell beneath the boiling oceans. Humanity was almost extinguished. Their spirits becoming part of the back ground radiation that blanketed the earth. A quiet darkness fell across the planet lasting many years"

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Resource_Wars
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 6:56 am

Europe could be rebuilding just liek America

Think about the NCR, tehy are building a new nation, so why could that not happen in Europe. But I really dont think that tehy would care about international law, that does not exist anymore or with sending troops to America to sue.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 3:06 am

Fallout One intro

"Petroleum and Uranium, for these resources China would invade Alaska, the US would annex Canada and the European Commonwealth would dissolve into quarrelling bickering nation states bent on controlling the last remaining resources on earth.

In 2077 the storm of world war had come again. In two brief hours most of the planet was reduce to cinders and from the ashes of nuclear devistation a new civilization would struggle to arise.

Spears of nuclear fire rianed down from the skies. Continents were swallowed in flames and fell beneath the boiling oceans. Humanity was almost extinguished. Their spirits becoming part of the back ground radiation that blanketed the earth. A quiet darkness fell across the planet lasting many years"

The Resource Wars


Yeah, I knew all that, but they don't say anything about constant rioting and anarchy.
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Post » Sat May 28, 2011 3:01 am

Europe could be rebuilding just liek America

Think about the NCR, tehy are building a new nation, so why could that not happen in Europe. But I really dont think that tehy would care about international law, that does not exist anymore or with sending troops to America to sue.


It might, but I doubt it. Look at the American radiated animals. Europe is MUCH more densly populated so there would be many more deaths on the initial nuking, many more would die in the weeks following, and the radiated animals would get the rest.

And the NCR is a nation only because the Vault Dweller took care of the Master.
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