In character.

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:goodjob: Thanks, fellas.

They could of made it so you can't do it in cities.

Walter i'm fine with.

But Zarrexaij? Well, that daedra scares the living [censored] out of me! :bolt:


Anyway, though I agree that the ban on Levitation in Mournhold isn't great lore, I still think it's good given the circumstances of Tribunal. Ayem was pretty vain and power-hungry towards the end of her life, so having her ban Levitation so that "noone may rise higher than her" isn't nearly as out of place as "yeah....this obscure Imperial Act completely bans AN ENTIRE PROVINCE from using a spell."

One explanation is fitting for the setting, the other is just....lame.

Na, in the cities isn't the problem, you can get atop buildings and see outside anyway. The problem is being outside cities and looking in and seeing nothing but the little boxes that they use to make it look somewhat presentable...

Oh yeah, absolutely.

I just never got the impression that Almalexia had trouble maintaining the love and faith of her people (when as far as I'm aware, the opposite was true and she was the most loved of all the Triunes), which is what you seemed to indicate in the quote I made.

Anyway, no problem.

Ah i didn't think about that.

I have no objection to the Emperor or legislators banning levitation - but frankly I do not believe that invading Daedra would pay any attention to a law :rofl: well they would be laughing their heads off at the stupid Imperials who were walking about on the ground and closed the City Gates while they (the Daedra remember?) flew over the walls and so would criminals, and power-mad players - so much of the game has been seen to be made into a nonsense.

Bring back climbing and lev actually lets get back to the real elderscrolls?

Err, pwned.

Yes, it has!

Perhaps the law was enforced magically, preventing levitation from working in Cyrodiil.

Then it would not be obscure - and The Invading Daedra would work to break that spell - with the Emperor dead that would be part of the MQ. In fact every invading army would have done so, and that would be a most important and unavoidable part of the histories ... as it is? Face it, normaly dev companies insist that people who work on established games just love them. This time 'someone' got in who did not love ES ...

But hey - there is always ESV to look forward to :fingers-crossed:

Weaseling. It's called http://www.imperial-library.info/dogate/es_weaseling.shtml. Just because they give you some weasels doesn't mean you need to make a fur coat out of it.

Well no - you can create a farm, encourage them to breed and then make lots more fur coats of their descendants :hubbahubba: and therefore the big bucks ...

Well, that speach by Vivic coud be interpreted as him saying he needs the Dunmer to pay taxes to fuel the Ghostgate (assuming actual matter, that costs money, goes into fueling the Ghostgate. I mean, i know its supposedly fueled by ancestor spirits or w/e, there would still be some kind of object that goes into it, such as filled Soul Gems for when the ancestors can't keep up. anyway, thats not the important part). Just by saying he needs his followers isn't necissarily saying his divine powers are influenced by his followers, keep in mind that vivic is a politician as well as a god. Of course, i have been known to be a moron

The weaseling out of the Daikatana name is complete faff. They both mean the same thing.

Yeah, but there's good weaseling and there's bad weaseling.

No horses in Vvardenfell because they're a Dunmer delicacy and the local plant life gives them a fatal tummy ache? Creative and interesting; thus, good weaseling.

No dragons in Morrowind because the Cliff Racers dominated the food source common to both and, thus, pushed them out? Funny, humourous explanation (because of the annoyance and abundance of Cliff Racers in-game), and thus good weaseling.

The Khajiit province is called "Elsewhere" because it's named for an ancient proverb stating that "perfect society is always elsewhere?" Again, creative and interesting, and another example of good weaseling.

No Levitation in Cyrodiil because the Levitation Act of 421 outlaws it's use? Lame, boring, and unimaginative; thus, BAD weaseling.


My point is, if you're going to weasel your way out of a design decision or technical issue, put some creativity and effort into it.

Sure, but just as we aren't going to discuss the nature of the grass that's so terminal to horses, we shouldn't be discussing the levitation act as if it makes sense. It's not lore, it's handwaving.

I agree.

But that won't stop them, you know. They're everywhere, I tells ya. The walls, the floor, my tomato soup...they JUST. KEEP. COMING. :ninja:

While we just have to accept lack of levitation in Oblivion i have to agree that if it was at least stated why there was act 421 (and thus why was levitation banned) it could possibly be much satisfying explanation.

Well I think you can look at something else if you really do not trust Vivec. Consider all the Saints' Shrines - they work and presumably have been working in their obscure caverns and grave mounds for thousands o years. Now something tells me that the Saints have no more need of cash and are somewhat beyond politics. Also I do not think the temple uses them or gains anything directly from them ... except in their own temples ...

Thus the way I have always related to them is that the Shrines are precisely what they appear to be = direct conduits to the Saints/Tribunal/my granny's ass - and if you leave an offering you will be blessed - not because of the monies or object going to someone mortal - but because the Spirits of the Saints and Trubunals gain power from your sacrifice and belief and the Dunmer Religion abhors a vacuum. = Rejection of Sithis

All the rest is simply the priests in the Temples collecting tithes to keep the Temple Buildings going and pay the wages of the staff, teachers etc and ESF politics.

But what do I know? I'm not crazy like that there Maiq

No, just no - I'm sorry but that's lame...

For some reason I can't read "I needed their faith to hold back the darkness" as "I needed their money so that I could put it into supporting the Ghostfence to hold back the darkness." Besides, I don't think that the Ghostfence is failing because of a lack of funds on the Temple's part...

Actually he is talking about the GhostFence, and not the Ghost Gate. The Ghostgate is a mundane, manned fortification and requires a garrison. The GhostFence has 'concrete' stone pil;lars, but in between them is a wall of Ancestral Force. It is maintaining that 'wall' of immaterial Force that money cannot buy. And oops - Almalexia went potty and murdered Sotha-Sil - not surprising that the strength of the Tribunal and their ability to keep that wall of force up has wained - then some dumb hero comes along and kills Almalexia (and likely Vivec) too ... Have you played Morrowind and Tribunal?

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