The words for someone who overreacts as you did are several.

It is a sad day indeed, when Bethesada lost the title of best magic.
It is lamentable when other games, earlier made have better magic.
Its quite terrible indeed when it is Bioware.

Dragon Age 1 has a better magic system than Skyrim by far.

Spells never become obsolete.
The skill tree made you a master of one or two or a little bit of all.
Some effects combined to a tertiary.

My word.
A TES game.

Its a terrible shame.

The magic in this game is shameful, I have no other words.

The irony for me here is how much magic in Dragon Age 1 was complained about..

The reality was colder and harder when they ran into it than it seemed from afar when they were under spell of Saruman's voice telling them they wouldn't notice the difference, the role of Sarumam having been played that day, as the Soap Operas would say, by Todd and Pete.

When the twister dropped the house of "you can't do half the things you used to," on top of them, their vision of things changed, understandably.

I suggest he not be a complainer, because that is a generalized attitude of people who just simply complain: That they are cretins. People of undesirable company, and so on and so forth. I didn't suggest he was a cretin nor did I say he was a cretin.



And how I was attacking someone for what he had to say in regards to his opinion about wanting spellmaking? I've for the most part have only talked about how a reasoned argument will find greater acceptance than outright whining and complaining, and that I am not such a one who particularly misses spellmaking. I wouldn't mind if it were included, either. It is not something that is of any import to me, and thus I am more or less ambivalent about it as a whole.

Please, do not put words in my mouth and suggest that I had said them. I have not attacked anyone for wanting to have spellmaking included in the game, and I have even gone out of my way to suggest a better means of discourse in order to be given attention in the first place. It's insulting, and especially to be accused of attacking anyone for it, on top of that.



The keyword about a lot mages you pointed out that really illustrates it further: "outlaw." They aren't accepted anywhere that civil society is found.

And it's not "dwelved." It's "delved." Just saying.

And yes, the College does delve deeper into its research into magicka, especially in regards to a particular character I'm not going to name because it's likely considered a spoiler, but I refer to one whom you can speak with, but shaking hands isn't gonna happen.

But the College is largely shunned by society, and magic is regarded with suspicion. Spellmaking could be lore-friendly at only the College, but hardly anywhere else. Have you spent any time casting magic in towns? Not one person likes it when you do. Not even the court mages, and one will even lecture you on it and complain to you that you're just giving magic an even worse name for practicing it so openly and brazenly.

If I could remember the loading screen, there was one that basically said that magic is shunned, while another mentions that Skyrim and Nord culture in general champion the might of steel and brawn.

There's a fella in Morthal who is the only one to practice magic in that town, and everyone damn near hates him outright and would lynch him if given the chance, except for the one person who pretty much has the influence to prevent that from happening in the first place: The Jarl.

Bear in mind, much of this is also due to the fact that the Oblivion crisis was canonically just 200 years prior, and it's become pretty much common knowledge that it was magic that was largely involved in nearly destroying the entire world. People don't tend to forget things like that, and it's just as much so in Skyrim.

200 years after the Arcane University, and they forgot how to make spells.. Tsk, tsk :thumbsdown:

Broken, overpowered, whathaveyou, nonsense.

Its still better and more varied than Skyrim.

Im really quite serious as this deserves bile. What on Nirn where they thinking? A series that has made its fortune due to spellmaking, and they give this to the fans?
One wants to kick them off bard's summit.

"No we wont even miss spellmaking cause we have these awesome glyphs and streaming spells now"
If only I had a told-you-so machine.

Your misunderstanding, not mine, but don't let that stop you from posturing. Arguments on the internet +1



Oh, no! I apparently overreacted!

You sure called me on it!

:thumbsup:

We only need it in one place so what's the problem?

Again irony because the #1 complaint about magic in Dragon Age 1 was that only a handful of spells were much much better than others and a lot of it wasn't very good. Funnily enough despite all the ways it took a step back I actually liked the variety of DA 2's magic more.

The biggest thing I remember hearing about removal of spell creation had something to do with it's interference with world design. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see spell creation back on a new console game engine.

The problem, apparently, is your lack of reading comprehension, given that remark and what you focused on with it. Golf clap.

I've spent enough time contributing to this thread, and it's not even something I'm either for nor against, but you seem to have a bone to pick, try it with someone enjoys exchanges with someone who'll ignore as much as you just demonstrated.

Cheers.

You argued that spellcrafting isn't supported by the lore, Bleak makes the case that it is, and you describe a bunch of lore that doesn't contradict anything he said, Bleak again makes the case, and you yet again irrelevantly bring up lore that doesn't counter the point.

Blast whathave you with your perceived irony, you are missing the point.

The point is that there has never been a TES game with this 'quality' of magic.
The point is that one can take a handful of contemporary games and know they have better magic, better integrated, more varied, better looking.

I dont give a flying ratchet about your sense of irony all I care about is that waterwalking is gone, that calm is gone, that cure disease is gone, I cant cast anything on anyone else anymore.. well if this isnt the sheer definition of dumbed down the word should be banned for no longer having meaning.
Do you get it now?

Lore, smore.
I am talking about the type of game that I want to buy.
TES 5 is a wonderful game, but I am a marmoset if it is an RPG.

If TES 6 does not have spellmaking, well, that is final then. The rats will leave the sinking ship.

Add me to the list, I miss making custom spells big time
Ahh the days of spellmaking... and being able to use a weapon underwater!! Seriously wth is that Beth, we can't use even a dagger underwater? :dry:

There is still calm, but no command. Although I know exactly what you mean.

LOL this dude is off his rocker but funny as hell...

Anyway, I kinda hope there is a "magical expansion" in one of their ambitious DLC packs. But I'm not holding my breath. Currently, I'm fairly underwhelmed with the magic in Skyrim.

I wouldnt say terrible but those things added depth in to the game as were stats.

Oh yea, sorry for "insulting" you and considering this ^ an attack :rofl:
Quite a funny one you are, i even replied in a civilised manner, unlike yours and i still manage to insult you?
You should not get insulted by what people saying on the internet in the first place




If you got confused somewhere in the way let me explain: We are not talking about whether every place or city should have spell making "devices" or anything - we are talking whether spell making should be in the game. Since you admit it yourself that it is lore-friendly in the college, (so being in the game would be lore-friendly too), what's the point of expanding that argument about how the Nords hate magic?

Its why I have this avatar

:facepalm:

Then it's quite clear to me that either what I'd pointed out sailed clear over your head, or you're just baiting me, and either way, you're wasting my time at this point.

And you pretty much demonstrate why it's sometimes an utter waste of time to type anything more than a lol phrase about taking arrows to the knee.

Gold star sticker for you.

Sorry about making this off-topic comment but... you never reflect upon anything you say or do, do you? xD

I haven't played yet. Yup that's right, waiting on my new pc before playing. Heh maybe all the patches and kinks will be ironed out by the 22nd.


So I'm not missing it as of yet, but I hope I'm not to bothered by it, once I play.

I shall only politely advise you re-read, beyond that...:shrug:



I didn't realize I was Bethesda. And I didn't realize this was about winning an argument on the internet. Silly me.

You just go right on ahead and have fun with that.

And I know that it certainly would be too much to expect that you would understand why magic is so suppressed and shunned as it is, and that the maybe the option was excluded to reinforce that, along with it being a gameplay decision.

:intergalactic:

Irony in the jest sense lol. The reason I'm mentioning is that using Dragon Age 1 as an example of an more varied better magic system isn't a very good example to use because of why people complained about Dragon Age 1's magic system.

I'm probably being cynical but I think no matter what sort of spell creation system is made it's going to fall short of expectations. As I said before though, I would not be surprised if it's in TES 6.

I should mock you about getting upset over an internet argument but i won't!! P
About my previous comment though: To be fair you did reflect upon what you posted when talking with Erandur.

Anyway i would buy that the option was excluded to enforce the hate Nords have for magic - but only if - the apprentices weren't making their own spells and experimenting even on you or the teachers suggesting that you are careful with your experiments and wanting to share your results with them. I would just might buy then, but even in that occasion, it does sound more like an excuse.