I believe, if you read Dagon's post, you'll find that he understands that just fine.

He is using fereakay time travel logic to suggest that the Loveletter comes from the future, is heeded by the past, thus rewriting the future, to retcon away the (to quote Mr. Dagon) "'Landfall destroyed Tamriel' interpretation of the Loveletter", which some people believe contradicts the 'only Morrowind' reality as presented by the novel.

Obviously if you don't believe that the Loveletter suggests Landfall destroyed all Tamriel, then there is no contradiction and no need for funky time-travel retcons.

I'm pointing out logic flaws. From his retcon blurg, it notes that landfall hasn't occurred yet, and the loveletter was made before, not after, landfall and is still in the 5th era. So that's 1 era in the future that landfall hasn't occurred. Yet, the loveletter finds its way to the past, and then landfall occurs, and destroys Morrowind instead of all of Tamriel... But that's still one era of no landfall in the future before the Loveletter made its way to the past. No one is really arguing that there could have been some freaky time-travel, it's the logic connections I have issues with.

But I could be looking at this too hard, and making a bump in the ground into a mountain.

You are misreading; perhaps understandably. It is pretty mangled syntax:


not

I blame my dyslexia, but things make much more sense now.

Sorry, I jumped an idea. I meant to say "The Loveletter came from the fifth era presumably after Landfall happened. It was sent back in time to before it happened."

That's the impression I got...

I also understand that the vision of the world from the letter was not the exact way things turned out.

I see the letter as a warning of what might happen if Love is abandoned. I believe Sul and Vuhon were able to somehow lessen or change the events of Red Year due to their knowledge.

It has a very terminator-esque vibe to it. "No fate but what we make." I prefer to see the Loveletter as Kyle Reese.

No harm done. Corrections and clarifications were made for those of us who are not as adept at reading (like me right there )

it IS un-offiacal lore, it it hasent been comfirmed by bethesda if its ture or not, so it will stay that way, and just because that guy who used to work for bethesda wrote it does not make it true, only the bethesda company says so or not. Please don't rely on a little book that a little really devoted fan came up with!

yes it has, in the infernal city. also, just go ahead and read the rest of this thread, everything you say has already been refuted

I know it doesn't mean what some people thought it meant, and personally I'm glad. It changed up the dynamics of the future of the series, but is still recognizable as TES after the event, instead of making it something almost completely different. I think this was a good compromise, that the actual parameters of the letter were technically met but that the rampant fan speculation wasn't all true.

Grey and glowing, like dusted drakes from home, where three thousand fetters the dreamsleeve has chased us

Loud with a lilt, like cross knots from pre-phala,
Where even tour guides are pagans in tweed

Lineage without end,
a language of silent letters,
Bog gods hiding in moss beneath the cross

Liqour that tasted like liquid bread,
Soups that created guild masters,
Parasols like wands at the ready,
Voidrocks, crystal, and sheep

Aurbic indecency enough to wake the dead,
High heels caked in mud to nubs,
Eagerness-to-see to keep us steady,
Luggage, eye-fire, and sleep

My girl as finely feathered as the hawkmoth she's always been,
In a whirling circle beneath the sleeve,
And old gods demanding a drunk from the mead,
As my Memory's visit then split the clouds in twain

Prayers heaped on those already said,
Finding ebony in a row of shrubs,
The Vehkship's bouncing cross-talk a melody,
Thankful our bloodlines were on the cheap

And my girl fuming in the whirlwind she's always in,
Wanting another hour in which to gain
Some semblance of our life to lead,
From parts, whole-cloth the whole in main

***

I must agree with Lord Maturin; this is not the Landfall you are looking for.

-MK

honestly i've read over it, and it sounds like its just a bunch of sentences that could mean ANYTHING, and when stuff actually happens, any sentence could mean anything that actually happened.... So I agree with the person above..

There were enough indicators in the introduction paragraph like Sul, New North, and general apocalyptic gloom to make a whirlwind of speculation. http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=1059299&st=0&p=15379069&#entry15379069 is what it really is.

I guess the poem is not our Christmas greeting is it? It sounds like the desired audience is too personal to be for the forums.

Judging from MK's post above, the destruction of Morrowind is not the same as the Landfall? Kind of confusing. Maybe the Landfall is related to travel to another planet?

Allright, so Morrowind gets to be destroyed twice! The Dunmer are just that bad-ass, one destruction isn't enough for them. And next time they're taking the world down with them...

:turtle:

Landfall is neglecting to love. Landfall season is an atmosphere without love. Making pilgrimage under Vehk and Vehk's banner is remembering to love.

But why does it have to be Vivec? Or, is this really more about CHIM or something? I mean, saying "make pilgrimage to Vivec, 'cause he is teh awesomezors" just sounds like propaganda. You know, unless he really is that messianic or something.

:wacko:

Think about who Vivec is and it makes sense to me.

"Love" is not love directly, though as I understand it. "God is love", God is all, Vivec is all and himself. Is Vivec still part of God or God? if the point is delving into weird metaphysics. Is "love" understanding, or am I way off?

Vehk IS God and part of God at the same time.

And Love is the greatest understanding there is.

Thief, false-god, hermaphrodite....? Writes cryptic sermons and kills Nerevarine-wannabe's? Has a Muatra and likes to screw Daedric Princes? I'm not really seeing anything about love here, except a big ego.

Stop using "God" and use the correct TES universe equivalent. There's nothing to say Anu or Sithis or whatever generated them (forgot its name) has anything to do with love.

Anu + Padomay + et'ada + mortals + absolutely everything else that Is == God.
God == Everything.
Vivec == part of God.
Vivec + CHIM == God.
Vivec + CHIM == Everything.
Love for (Vivec + CHIM) == Love for Everything.

Then why doesn't he tell people to love everything? I'm guessing the vast majority of Nirn's inhabitants have no clue that they are just figments of a dream. Therefore, if Vivec tells people to love him, they will love him - but not anyone or anything else. And obviously he doesn't love Azura.

You repeated yourself too many times and went too deep.

Anu and Padomay are opposites. Anu + Padomay = Everything. God = union of opposites. Vivec is a union of opposites (male and female).

It's really that simple.