Ambassador Marcus - Mayor of Jacobstown

I'm glad to hear that more Nightkin will be given the cure, and I hope that you will trust and respect Dr. Henry once you see how successful his cure is. I will send a Mutant to Black Mountain to deliver the cure as soon as I get back to Jacobstown.


*Marcus looks at Wilson and scowls*

And it should never apply to the Mojave states. That's why I think it would be good if we didn't rely so much on your nation's corrupt "Brahmin Barons" and anything that has to do with your so called "government." The last thing the states of the Mojave need is to be dependent on other areas, especially the NCR.

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OOC: Here's the map I created.

The states should be obvious.
Brown: Primm
Purple: Nipton
Yellow: Goodpsprings
Orange: Black Mountain
Blue: House
Green: NCR Territory
Light Purple: Kings
Brownish Orange: Jacobstown.
Black: Vegas wall proposed to be built.

(House has his amount of land because no one else hand land there, and it connects Hoover to Helios to the Strip.

Ambassador Draiman-Mr. House

Mr. House requests Vault 19 to be a safe-house for some of his securitrons. Others could live their too under their protection, as well, if needed.

OOC: FYL: No war was/is to be started it was just to show how annoyied Wilson was, that he used the threat of war to stop it.

" Mrs.Becker favours peace I can guaranteed no war shall be started by the NCR, if there was any war it will started by you but finished by us. Besides the NCR needs to rebulid itself and remove it's corruption, it's gonna be a long process but it shall be done."


"the threat of war was just to point out how your badmouthing could start one"


ooc: nice map



What i mean is that the laws Won't affect NCR Brahmin Barons or for that matter your own Barons attempting to get infulence in your Government. Your Barons might not be greedy now but i can guarantee over time some will be...

Ambassador Draiman-Mr. House

Understood. You must understand you don't have many supporters in the Mojave. War is not in either of our favors, and I promise this army's purpose isn't to replace or throw out the NCR.

I can understand your laws, but if we encourage mojave meats, towns like Jacobstown and Goodsprings would prosper from purchases, and the meat would be delivered easier and more fresh.

I still need someone to help on my wall. Is Primm, Novac, or the NCR willing to send workers?

The army's purpose is for taking more resources that are needed in further lands, and as a police force for the Mojave.

If Novac is given control of all of the abandon factories of Vegas then we can start within the month.


That seems like it could be a good location to start a settlement.

It could expand to Bonnie Springs and Whittaker farmstead could be turned into a large farm. I could help invest into it.

OOC: I like the map but I have on little issue; Searchlight is in Novac's territory, not the NCR's. I never realized how much land I controlled!


I could send workers, the Bright Brotherhood are very helpful and will make good workers, and some of the supplies Black Mountain is sending us for helping them purchase Quarry Junction.

I believe if we take over most of Nevada and some of Utah we will have enough space and resources to stay independant on nobody. Of course the NCR will remain our allies, we just can't rely on them if something were to happen to them or between us.

By the way the Bright Brotherhood want to establish a church for their worship, they believe their lord to want people to move to another planet to start anew. Would House allow the semi-cultic group to establish a church in Novac?

Representative Steve

@House

That map is right pretty and all but Goodsprings need more room for grazing. Further once we deal with the cazardors north of town we could make good use of that land. That road north needs to be under our control to keep the town safe for trade from Vegas on an alternative route. Goodsprings northern western border should be connecting with the southern border of Jacobstown and the most western border of House's controlled lands. (D8, E8 and F8) Besides that I find no fault with that map of the terrorities.

As far as the meat ban from the NCR goes it's only common sense. The NCR barons have lost power with Kimball and Oliver dead. Further even if we starting killing Rangers right now the NCR won't attack because they want the power and water from the dam. The longer we allow the barons to undersell our domestic meat ranchers the more likely we become slaves of the very nation we wish not to become a part of. All of us should ban foreign meats and give the chance for the Mojave to grow economically, not just let NCR barons in the west keep us in poverty.

@ The NCR's ambassador
Goodsprings is a friendly community, and our water source will be an important road stop on the way to Vegas for your citizens. Now if the Crimson Caravan or Gun Runners took up shop in Jean's Sky Diving, Goodsprings would take away the fee for water for all NCR citizens using the source, including the employees of that operation. In exchange one of your businesses would become located at one of the most key intersections in the Mojave with access to clean, safe water. The only thing Goodsprings would ask in return is a 25 percent discount on all goods and services purchased by the Goodsprings Council.

@ The State of Tibutha's Ambassador
We accept that deal, the citizens of Goodsprings treat a person based off their actions not the way they look or how tall they are. If any of your sane members wish to visit or trade further in Goodsprings I have no problem with that.

OOC: The Kings planned on taking Westside as well no?

Ambassador Presley - The Kings

"Well, if Freeside were to annex Westside, it could be turned into a small farming zone, as they've already got one or two brahmin with them, as well as the co - op. As long as every state here has a surefire source of meat or food for trade and production, we wouldn't need to rely on those NCR pigs for food. The Kings don't want anything to do with soldier boys anymore."

Representative Steve

If we can't agree on a region wide ban on NCR meats that's fine. Each of us acting as individual states can still make the decision. So if say Goodsprings, Freeside, Jacobstown, The State of Tibutha and Novac all agree to ban NCR meats individually it's our right to do so. I know Goodsprings is very serious about our economic future. With Brahmin Barons seizing land back west how could we compete? Ambassador Presley, the Mojave has more than enough meat for Vegas, and Goodsprings will certainly do our part.

I would like to ask the NCR if they would be willing to team up with Novac, once our militia is well armed, to cross the river and set up stronghold along the eastern side. If House gives permission.

It would allow the Mojave to breath easier not fearing enemies attacking at any time.

It would be a very expensive operation that would take months of planning so I believe both of you should think long and hard about this.

Ambassador Presley - The Kings

**Presley turns a smile towards the Goodsprings ambassador.

"Well thank you, thankyaverymuch. Freeside may need a bit of a boost before we can prosper, so after I get House's blessing for Westsides annexation, would you be open to trading with us?"

We here at Novac would be willing to make a deal with you.

We are have farms that make enough food for us to survive but we're making many, many more farms.

If we sell you the food with a 45% price cut would you, if or when you get enough soldiers, be willing to patrol the road to the 188 Trading Post?

We can patrol from the 188 Trading Post to Novac, to Nipton on our own but we would need someone else to do the last stretch to Vegas.

If you agree now then we will send those caravans instantly, up until and past the point where you get enough soldiers to actually patrol.

Representative Steve

@The Kings

Of course, of course. In fact we have a few professional scavengers who have been looking for employment and with plenty of experience. They could come up to Vegas for a while and help train some of your citizens in scavenging. Since the Fiends are gone Southwestern Vegas is just ripe with pre war items for the taking. Easy Pete is his name, if you are willing we could set up a joint scavenging operation in the Fiends former terrority. We have the skill, Freeside has the labor, it could be a wonderful match up, through which we could split the profits between our governments after expenses 50-50.

Also I've heard reports of stravation and unemployment in Freeside, while in Goodsprings we have land and homes sitting empty. Trudy has told me to tell you that if any of your law abiding citizens seek employment or food, then come to Goodsprings. They will be put to work of course, and if they know how to use a gun and are able will probably get a 5 cap a day job working for the new town milita. They would remain citizens of Freeside but while in Goodsprings would obviously live under our laws, of which there are few. If any of your law abiding citizens wish to migrate to our town, we have no objections and would actually encourage such a thing. While in Goodsprings they could learn argiculture, ranching, and scavenging. In the end if they return to Freeside they would have more skills that are useful to your community.

Ambassador Presley - The Kings

"I'd be happy to send a squad of Kings to patrol the roads up to the 188, I can send my boys to spread the word right now. We'll set up a Kings Outpost about halfway between Vegas and the 188 and we'll do regular patrols from there. However, if you plan on working with the NCR, you'd do well to keep them away from the 188. I don't want a fight breaking out over nothing."


"If you're willing to accept us, the King would be glad to have a couple boys join your militia."

Ambassador Marcus - Mayor of Jacobstown

I support this idea. Jacobstown is already self-sufficient when it comes to producing our own food supply, so I think it would be best if NCR meat was banned in Jacobstown territory.

Captain Robert Wilson


indeed it will but that sounds like a good idea, The NCR accepts

Whlist you gather resoucres i shall send a group of rangers accross the river to find a suitable location to set up this stronghold and possibly some towns once the area is secure.

although i do request that if we capture any land in Utah, the NCR should recieve the south whlist Vegas/Novac recieves the north. NCR is currenlty planning on invading Arizona and wiping out the legion remants there. the southen Utah can link onto this once captured.



i think that's the best soultion. if you don't want it don't buy but i do have to stick up for the Barons over a region Ban and hey there are some people who want NCR Meat, the white gloves for example and should once state have a bad season or something, they could be able buy cheap meat from NCR instead of straving .

oh and one of these new laws affects the amount of land each Baron can hold But note, the law may not pass.



ooc: since their is no GR or CC rep i'll just do this for them, should some be them do the deal again

Since the GR or CC rep are not here i shall speak for them. Both companys along with most is not all NCR Citizens are currently take the 188 route to vegas whlist gathering Free water from Hoover Dam so having water free at goodsprings is useless to them and whlist the area is good, both companys will most likey be setting up shops within Niption or searchlight espically with our new parntership with Novac.

so that is a no on your supposed deal

Goodsprings Ban on NCR Meat deals will also mostly likey discourage the CC from setting up a shop there aswell.

ooc: I doudt it really matters as it's less half a mile between the town and airport in game (yet looks bigger on map) having ther border at the town is fine with me

Representative Steve

@ The NCR
IF the NCR caravans and companies do not wish to settle on the I-15 for political reasons that is fine, their absence will only further drive us to economic sufficiency. Also I don't know why you speaking of the Hoover Dam as if the water for NCR citizens in free. The only source of clean water like Goodsprings along the alternative route is Lake Mead which is far off the beaten path for travelers. Ambassador I do believe that you are misinformed. The I-15 is the primary route into Vegas and the quickest. Your Brahmin is not welcome in Goodsprings and all caravans wishing to transport it to Vegas are adviced to take the I-93 route into Vegas. Brahmin from the NCR into Goodsprings is simply not an option.

@ Novac
I would hope Novac would join with the rest of the Mojave in becoming non depedent on the Barons for food. It would be a grand sign of will and it would be the effective end of their reign in the Mojave.

@ The King

Excellent. They will be paid 5 caps a day, given 1000 calories worth of food a day and be sent on difficult assignments. But in the end Goodspring will be safer from wasteland creatures and the good name of the Kings will be further spread throughout the Mojave. Also I'll take it that you approve the joint scavenging agreement with my town? If so right after these meetings I'll have Easy Pete make his way to south western vegas.

Ambassador Presley - The Kings

"Yeah, the scavenging deal sounds quite nice. We'll have to be sure to stay off of House's turf, but I'm sure we'll get some loot from the place to trade. Should I send some boys to escort him to Vegas? About the prior deal, I'll accept on the condition that, like with House, I have full knowledge of any plans that go down involving my Kings. Deal?"

*The King stretches out a hand to shake.

Thank-you.

Although that stretch of road is generally safe you never know what could happen.


Well you're going to have to take up those details with House, if he is to accept it at all.

And I believe Fortification Hill would be an ideal center of operations for this assault, House's securitrons along with us would make this invasion go very smoothly.

And I do hope that law passes, those brahmin barons controlling the government is one of the biggest things I dislike about the NCR, there are positives and negatives about everybody.


Well Goodsprings some small time caravans might be able to be convinced to set up shop there. Not much business, or from their point of view competition, in Goodsprings.

OOC: Well yeah, that's fine with me too, the problem I had it it looks like Searchlight is right over the border in NCR territory. It doesn't matter if we know Novac owns it but I just thought I should mention it.


Water is cheap in Novac, two caps, and the Colorado River is very close by and free to anybody who wants some. The Colorado is also very clean, having been processed through Hoover Dam.

I will not rely on NCR's food, Novac makes enough for itself and will make so much that we won't need to import anything, but we will not illegalize it, some NCR citizens prefer food made in the NCR and it would hurt some businesses in Novac.

I personnely prefer eating food that was made less than a mile from where I eat it but others do not think that way and I feel obligated to accomedate to that.

Captain Robert Wilson

ooc: not sure why you spoke a bunch about NCR meat, all i mentioned was the Crimson Caravan would be discouraged as they sell Meat along with others thing.

Far of the beaten path? have you forgot about camp golf? or the golf club since it's no longer a camp. it very close to highway and i believe most of piping is still there, making it even easier. there is also cheap water in novac.


and i do not speak for Gun Runners Or Crimson Caravan so you will have to wait until a rep shows up I will simply say no. I should also point out the I-15 is still crawling with carazadors and your statement that that crimson caravans carrying Meat aren’t even allowed to stop or travel though goodsprings will just further convince them to set up a shop elsewhere.

there is also the fact there are many more towns on the I-93 three route, it's simply more profitable to go that way,


I have a question for you Steve, does everyone want You're meat? Many NCR civilian will be living in the town of Niption and searchlight and perhaps in other areas of the Nevada and some will want NCR Meat , so i don't believe you should force you Ban on areas were NCR citizens live.

Although the option is up to the mayor. EDit: i see that you have replied Mayor, good to hear. I think the reason is more about the Favour, some Farmers bread their cows differently, giving the meat a different taste to others. I think this is why the White glove wanted NCR meat instead of local meat. of course there are some who simply want NCR food .

we shall see if what mr house thinks of river crossing deal before taking it any futhur and yes i do hope that Law is passed too.

ooc: going to bed now bye

Representative Steve

*Stands and shakes Ambassador Presley's hand
This is the beinging of a beautiful partnership.

@ The NCR
This is a matter of national and economic security. If someone wants NCR meat they can go to the NCR. Ranching is the only way of life for many in the Mojave and unfair competition from wealthy barons from your nation simply make matters worse. The I-15 is safe. The Deathclaws have been the killed. The cazardors you speak of aren't on the I-15 but another route. In honesty once trade between the NCR and the Mojave returns to normal levels the I-15 will be the most used route. Your caravans would be insane not to set up shop at Jean's Sky Diving Shack, but very well, given time Goodsprings will develop caravans.

@Novac
Your nation has many grazing lands, it's a shame you will continue to expose your ranchers and farmers to the barons meat of the west. Your citizens work hard to make a living only to see lower priced meat from hundreds of miles away. This isn't about what people like, this is about the main economic driver of your nation and what will feed the Mojave. But continue with this insanity if you wish of course. To each his own.

The I-15 may be safe but Nipton, Novac, Searchlight, and the road from there to the 188 Trading Post has become far more relevant since the deathclaws first showed up on the I-15.

Many locals in Novac do not like to buy foreign foods, they have bought local food in the worst of times and that will not change now that we are heading towards the best of times.

Food that has spent days to weeks crossing through a desert is no competition to food that was killed that morning down the street.

But as you said to each their own, now that this subject seems to be closed perhaps we can turn to a more agreeable matter.

Since House has agreed to changing the common currency from caps to something safer and made in the Mojave perhaps Goodsprings, Primm, and Freeside can send people looking to earn some money to help work in factories to make this currency. House has only given me the green light if I can mass produce them so I will need all of the help I can get, whatever offer you have in exchange I will try to reach.

Representative Steve

The scavengers of Goodsprings can acquire the equipment needed from Southwest Vegas for a price of 30 percent the total expense cost. So if it takes 10,000 caps worth of labor it will cost 13000 in all. This will be a good first test for Easy Pete and the Freesiders.

Ambassador Draiman-Mr. House

The NCR forces inside the mojave are allowed to join Novac, but the NCR as a whole?

No.

If you are going to bring in any reinforcements, Novac should notify House.

To Goodsprings, you cannot possibly have any further land. If you move further north, then you are in Quarry Junction, I guess you could move west of Quarry Junction, but that's all the land you are getting. Quarry Junction is Black Mountain's property. Any land south cuts into the NCRCF which Primm is trying to renovate.

OOC: I'll fix the map in a few hours when I get home.

Representative Steve
Goodsprings is not asking for Sloan or Quarry Junction. I'm speaking of the land northwest of the quarry. Plots D8, E8 and most of F8 is what I'm speaking of.

Ambassador Draiman- Mr. House

As much as I appreciate this friendship with the NCR, they aren't getting a giant juicy cut of future lands we take. You have enough.

You'll get some, but nowhere near as much as you've requested.