Is the Mane a Shezzarine?

Post » Tue Oct 01, 2013 12:32 pm

The Mane is born only when the moons Masser and Secunda are in alignment. The Khajiit believe that this somewhat mythic ruler is actually a single soul being reincarnated in various bodies. The Lunar Lorkhan theory posits that the moons are the flesh divinity of Lorkhan. Shezzarines are the fractured spirit of Lorkhan, walking the planet of Nirn.

So is the Mane a Shezzarine? Is it a Lorkhanic spirit that rules the Khajiit?

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Post » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:24 pm

Well, the "Lorkhanic spirit" makes sense. They consider Azura to be their most important creator-ancestor, so it stands to reason that they would be Padomaically-inclined. I don't know if the Mane is specifically a Shezarrine simply because a laid-back, drugged-out religious leader doesn't seem to fit into the shadow cast by Pelinal and Wulfharth... but then again, I have no idea what Pelinal and Wulfharth would turn out like if they were raised on moon sugar.

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Post » Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:19 pm

Well I think Lorkhan is a multifaceted figure. You can't pigeon hole him into Wulfharth or Pelinal, those are just single aspects, individual shards of a larger and more complex whole.

Khajiits, by and by, are quite Lorkahnic if you ask me. The sort of self obsessed pleasure motive (drugs, crime, ect.) Their status as thieves (when Lorkhan was the first thief.) And their penchant for causing chaos.

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Post » Tue Oct 01, 2013 1:01 am

I cannot find fault with your conclusion, based on the reasoning that lead you there.

I am inclined to agree with the notion that the Mane is a Lorkhanic spirit. I find that dependent on just how much credit I am willing to give the Thalmor regarding their knowledge of such matters. That is to say, if the Thalmor believed the Mane to be such a thing and it factored into their decision making, I could more readily get aboard.

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Post » Tue Oct 01, 2013 5:19 am

Possible that some manes are, but not all. Some are as mythically important as your average unrecorded High King of Skyrim, and perhaps only one is on par with the status of the Emperor. Also, the Khajiit may be individualistic and revere thievery, but this is not necessarily true of the Mane. I see Manes as more a principle that unites the Khajiit rather than encouraging them to divide and find spiritual meaning within theirselves.

I reckon that if we're considering the Khajiiti heroes as Shezzarines, we have to break a lot of rules and assumptions to do so; some, like the temperament or goal of a Shezzarine, are already a mess due to the connection between Nordic and Cyrodiilic heroes. However, the Mane is notable for not being an incarnation or devotee of the obvious Lunar figure in the Khajiit pantheon (Lorkhaj). Lorkhaj is a demon; as for the "focus" of the Mane as a Shezzarine, far better candidates are Azurah, Nirni or the Ja-Kha'jay - or possibly, at a stretch, Alkosh.

I'm not saying we've no reason to call the Mane a Shezzarine; but if it is, it has the unique quality of being Lorkhanic from an outside perspective without carrying that meaning within their own pantheon. From a Khajiiti perspective, it seems more reasonable to me to call the Mane a god of the Khajiit themselves, rather than Lorkhanic motive on Nirn; and the highest god in the Khajiiti pantheon appears to be Azurah. The Mane-Lorkhan connection can be salvaged, perhaps, if Lorkhan is not Lorkhaj, but rather Fadomai, and Azurah plays the role that Boethiah does in the Dunmer system.

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Post » Tue Oct 01, 2013 5:47 am

1. But the Mane is purported to be a single spirit. So if one is, doesn't that mean all are? Also, the mythical importance of a single Mane is irrelevant if its one spirit. What matters is the totality of the Mane's importance over time. You wouldn't say that one of Wulfharth's lives was significant or that one of the Pelinals across time was important, its just Pelinal, just Wulfharth, and just the Mane. Which reminds me, reincarnation is another check mark in his favor. As for uniting the Khajiit, I say again that Lorkhan has multiple, and at the very least a dual, aspect. There is the Lorkhan trickster, the selfish hunger. And there is Lorkhan the Creator, the one who sacrificed everything so that others might have a chance for a better life.

2. The Khajiit don't worship Lorkhaj, but they do worship the Lunar Lattice. In a sense, they are rejecting the darker side of Lorkhan and choosing to worship only the good part. Whether they recognize it as Lorkhanic or not isn't very important IMO. As for the Cyrodiilic and Nordic Shezzarines, I don't see why they would have a bearing on a Shezzarine in Elsweyr given the power of mythopoeia. Many consider the Nerevarine to be a Shezzarine and I've seen the argument for the Hoon Ding as well. But we don't expect either to act like Pelinal because they come from different cultures.

3. As I said above, they worship the Moons which are an aspect of the Space God. What ever name they attribute to it is not all that important since they maintain their pantheon is unique anyway. Azurah and the "Moons and their Motions" are litter mates.

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