The map of Tamriel : V - Skyrim

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:00 pm

actually Hammerfell continued the fight against the Thalmor and kicked out the remaining forces, guess Hammerfell keep some spare reserves.

Redguards are not to be messed with then. Good to know, I never liked Thalmor

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:51 am

All hope is not lost in Morrowind. If you read Lord of Souls there is a chance that the province will bounce back.

What im wondering about is whats going on in argonia during and after the great war?

I hope nothing that has to do with being friendly with the Thalmor.. If so.. Then, the imperials really don't stand a chance..

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:14 pm

I hope nothing that has to do with being friendly with the Thalmor.. If so.. Then, the imperials really don't stand a chance..

Idk if they are although my gut tells me bethesda is gearing the Dunmer to be allies with the imperials. I hope so.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:43 am

woah woah woah, those imperials think they can wage a war with argonians? they can hardly defend themselves from the dominion, they do not have a chance at invading argonia :chaos:

Muwahahaha. All shall fall before the might of Cyrodiil's Legions.

At least the Argonians aren't elves. We always seem to have trouble with them lol. Honestly though I think we wont see that in game. The Thalmor/Imperial side seems to be getting more attention then the Morrowind/Argonia side.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:28 pm

I corrected the map as found and i want it to look like this

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/59/tamriel2.jpg/

What do you think?

Here is a good lore timeline http://www.imperial-library.info/book/export/html/24

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:16 am

http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z201/Nulix160/4E201Tamriel.jpg

Cool, looks correct to me. But with some differences.

I do belive the Dumer tho think themself as part of the empire.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:04 pm

Muwahahaha. All shall fall before the might of Cyrodiil's Legions.

At least the Argonians aren't elves. We always seem to have trouble with them lol. Honestly though I think we wont see that in game. The Thalmor/Imperial side seems to be getting more attention then the Morrowind/Argonia side.

try it imperial scum, see if your empire can hold aganst our tactics and our raw strength, it is enough to make even the legions of oblivion bend knee, your army would fall in minutes :chaos:

there is a good reason the elves always give everyone trouble, they are zealots who worship some omincidle diety (not even our god, sithis, wants the entire world to die off). the argonians did the dunmer a favor if you ask me, azura warned any that desurved to live before we invaded, we slaughtered all that desurved it so they could start getting a better reputation again, they should thank us for getting rid of their trash if you ask me.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 1:42 pm

I almost feel like I'm reading DS9 lore sometimes...

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:50 pm

I corrected the map as found and i want it to look like this

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/59/tamriel2.jpg/

What do you think?

Here is a good lore timeline http://www.imperial-library.info/book/export/html/24

Its a good map

and from what im getting from the timeline it seems that the Argonians are misusing the land and arnt really organized. While the Empire may be hurting i believe the more organized and professionally trained army should be able to take back Southern Morrowind with ease.

Hopefully a DLC/Expansion sheds some light on this matter about Morrowind and Black Marshs' current status.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:59 pm

Also some cities in Cyrodiil don't exist anymore..

Such as Bravil.. It's gone.. Burned down.. Not like I cared for that city..

I think Leyawiin was raided..

Anvil and Skingrad should be destroyed.. I presume a fort was where Kvatch lay so I am assuming that was destroyed as well..

source? captured =/= destroyed

In fact, the lore starts Skingrad and Brvail were still in operation (for AD) at the time of the battle of the red ring shortly before the Concordat was signed

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:08 pm

If stormcloaks took control of Skyrim then I could see Argonia waging war on them.. When their race isn't aloud in Windhelm which is where to Rebellion started.. The Argonians will make things right.. They are very nice people..

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:30 am

source? captured =/= destroyed

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:The_Great_War Also they didn't take control of the city.. They just destroyed then moved onto the capital.. And the Thalmor didn't exactly win.. They only took the capital.. The Empire would have still been their.. Maybe a little chaotic at first if the Emperor did die..

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:46 pm

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:The_Great_War

thats what i was after.

although the empire shouldve put out all the fires after 30 years have gone by.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:25 pm

thats what i was after.

although the empire shouldve put out all the fires after 30 years have gone by.

Bravil was made of wood so I expect that to be gone completely.. It's not like I really liked that city though..

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 7:02 am

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:The_Great_War Also they didn't take control of the city.. They just destroyed then moved onto the capital.. And the Thalmor didn't exactly win.. They only took the capital.. The Empire would have still been their.. Maybe a little chaotic at first if the Emperor did die..

The only problem I have is that it never talks about them destroying the cities. The book itself is written from an Imperial point of view so if the Thalmor had destroyed the cities it would have been noted.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:56 am

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:The_Great_War Also they didn't take control of the city.. They just destroyed then moved onto the capital.. And the Thalmor didn't exactly win.. They only took the capital.. The Empire would have still been their.. Maybe a little chaotic at first if the Emperor did die..

thats not what that text says at all...

"During 4E 172, the Aldmeri advanced deeper into Cyrodiil. Bravil and Anvil both fell to the invaders." - That does not mean they were destroyed.

"Lord Naarifin was taken by surprise by Decianus's assault, but Jonna's troops faced bitter resistance as the Aldmeri counterattacked from Bravil and Skingrad." - That pretty much states that the AD were using those places as bases of operation in the area.

have I missed pt.2 or something?

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 9:57 am

thats not what that text says at all...

"During 4E 172, the Aldmeri advanced deeper into Cyrodiil. Bravil and Anvil both fell to the invaders." - That does not mean they were destroyed.

"Lord Naarifin was taken by surprise by Decianus's assault, but Jonna's troops faced bitter resistance as the Aldmeri counterattacked from Bravil and Skingrad." - That pretty much states that the AD were using those places as bases of operation in the area.

which makes sense from a tactical perspective

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 6:41 am

thats not what that text says at all...

"During 4E 172, the Aldmeri advanced deeper into Cyrodiil. Bravil and Anvil both fell to the invaders." - That does not mean they were destroyed.

"Lord Naarifin was taken by surprise by Decianus's assault, but Jonna's troops faced bitter resistance as the Aldmeri counterattacked from Bravil and Skingrad." - That pretty much states that the AD were using those places as bases of operation in the area.

have I missed pt.2 or something?

How do you think the Aldmeri Dominion took Bravil.. If they used a siege weapon it would burn down the city because its made of wood and straw.. Leyawiin was obviously raided.. But unlike Bravil it was made with different materials which could withstand it more.. But still not that great.. Anvil was taken so I was assuming that Kvatch was used as a fort.. It's location is very easy to protect.. It's on a big hill and the entrance can only be accessed by going up a small path..

Also the war is called the Great War.. I don't think they really cared weather or not the cities stood or not..

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:44 pm

How do you think the Aldmeri Dominion took Bravil.. If they used a siege weapon it would burn down the city because its made of wood and straw.. Leyawiin was obviously raided.. But unlike Bravil it was made with different materials which could withstand it more.. But still not that great.. Anvil was taken so I was assuming that Kvatch was used as a fort.. It's location is very easy to protect.. It's on a big hill and the entrance can only be accessed by going up a small path..

Bravil still has stone walls and keep. Even if all the buildings in town were wood the city would still be there. After the war it would have been rebuilt with almost certainty. Besides there is no mention of it being a total war. The book never mentions the Thalmor destroying cities, only taking them.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:50 am

although the empire shouldve put out all the fires after 30 years have gone by.

Bravil still has stone walls and keep. Even if all the buildings in town were wood the city would still be there. After the war it would have been rebuilt with almost certainty.

Yes thats what i mean although we dont have enough evidence on if the towns were destroyed or still standing.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 4:22 pm

Bravil still has stone walls and keep. Even if all the buildings in town were wood the city would still be there. After the war it would have been rebuilt with almost certainty.

Siege weapons like Catapults lunge objects (most of the time burning) over city walls.. Also these are mages.. They won't be using schools of magic like Restoration, Illusion, or Alteration to win this war.. So if they were using flame spells.. A wooden city shouldn't be standing.. Think of it like using a flamethrower in a wooden-hut..

bliviongate:

You are right that the walls will be standing.. <_<

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:31 pm

Siege weapons like Catapults lunge objects (most of the time burning) over city walls.. Also these are mages.. They won't be using schools of magic like Restoration, Illusion, or Alteration to win this war.. So if they were using flame spells.. A wooden city shouldn't be standing.. Think of it like using a flamethrower in a wooden-hut..

bliviongate:

The book still doesn't imply that the city was destroyed. In fact it is given an almost minor mention like it was put in as an after thought. If the city was truly destroyed we would have heard.

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 5:57 pm

Siege weapons like Catapults lunge objects (most of the time burning) over city walls.. Also these are mages.. They won't be using schools of magic like Restoration, Illusion, or Alteration to win this war.. So if they were using flame spells.. A wooden city shouldn't be standing.. Think of it like using a flamethrower in a wooden-hut..

bliviongate:

well the inner city would be hurting like what we saw during the battle of whiterun. But the outer walls and castle are made of stone so it would be like 50/50

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:17 pm

well the inner city would be hurting like what we saw during the battle of whiterun. But the outer walls and castle are made of stone so it would be like 50/50

Yes.. It would be like a brokenish wall and a vacant castle.. But I guess you are right that maybe it was rebuilt afterwards in the rubble.. :icecream:

» Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:15 pm

Makes me proud to be an Argonian. :disguise: