The Maruhkati Selective

Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:53 pm

Who were the Maruhkati Selective, who started it, what did they want and did they cause the Dragon Break?
If anyone could give me some good readings on them that would be sweet.
Also, Can the 36 Lessons be taken literally?
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 9:28 pm

Who were the Maruhkati Selective, who started it, what did they want and did they cause the Dragon Break?


1. You may know them now as the"Eight Divines"
2. Maruhkati started the group. He was a crazy Imga
3. They wanted to "edit" the gods. They paid for their folly by taking up the god's responsibilities and acting as new ones.
4. Yes. After that, the tool used for this act was broken up into eight pieces until it was later reunited by the eternal champion.
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Post » Thu Sep 02, 2010 1:07 am

The Marukhati Selective were an enigmatic sect of the Alessian Order. Sources disagree on whether they were an fanatic fringe sect of an elite group. Regardless, they were a collective of scholar-mystics who believed that certain aspects of Akatosh were unacceptable, being of Elven origin, and tried to erase them mythically by using mythic ritual.

There are very few writings concerning the Selective. This is probably because time was distorted in the spiritual of the ritual - such that time became non-linear as it had been in the Dawn of the world, with several mutually exclusive timelines becoming simultaneously true - which resulted in a 1008-year gap in Tamriel's collective myth-memory.

What we know of them, however, is codified http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/complete_dragonbroke.shtml. Some ambitious (or perhaps foolish) lore-scholars have ventured their own theories in this http://www.imperial-library.info/fsg/. There are also http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/vehk_teaching.shtml that mention them... although these are dangerous to uninitiated minds.

I happen to know, however, that the Marukhati catered the birthday party of a certain Imgan King in the mid First Era, with cataclysmic results.

As for the 36 Lessons, that depends entirely on whether the Marukhati succeeded or not, and whether their successors were able to do likewise.

EDIT: Mortazo: Your lips take not to the name of the Monkey Prophet? Marukh founded the Alessian Order, yes. But "Marukhati" is the word applying to those who have followed him and, by association, his mythical ideals. Not unlike the unformed Ada of old, might I add.
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EDIT: Mortazo: Your lips take not to the name of the Monkey Prophet? Marukh founded the Alessian Order, yes. But "Marukhati" is the word applying to those who have followed him and, by association, his mythical ideals. Not unlike the unformed Ada of old, might I add.


Oh yeah, whatever, sorry, I'm tired.

Marukh is a crazy Imga, ok?
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 12:06 pm

1. You may know them now as the"Eight Divines"


I've never seen anything that shows that.

All we can conclusively say based on the Dragon Broke is that they became gods. The Spore Dream suggest that they vaporized in Zero-Sum upon completion. The Eight falling stars are the spokes of the wheel snapping back together to restore temporal order.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 3:15 pm

Oh yeah, whatever, sorry, I'm tired.

Marukh is a crazy Imga, ok?


Heh. Same here. That's why I'm posting in [censored] character. Gah!

Also, he may have been crazy, or he may have been http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v117/Astion/Doc6.jpg.

EDIT:


Prow: http://www.imperial-library.info/fsg/nazzarticle4.shtmlIt just isn't canon. :)
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:01 pm

I've never seen anything that shows that.


Yes you did...http://www.imperial-library.info/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1197131623, unless that's another "proweler" I'm seeing there...
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:09 am

Yes you did...http://www.imperial-library.info/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1197131623, unless that's another "proweler" I'm seeing there...


Indeed and it's an old article being altered. http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=424718&st=0&p=6211355&hl=Aedra%20%20Maruhkati&#entry6211355.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:43 pm

Indeed and it's an old article being altered. http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=424718&st=0&p=6211355&hl=Aedra%20%20Maruhkati&#entry6211355.


Regardless, you have still seen the evidence (unlike what you said). Just beacuse you think the evidence is not supportive does not discount the fact that you clearly and inarguably saw it.

Though I'm not 100% in support of the Selective-Aedra theory, I am pretty supportive of the Staff of Chaos = Selective's Tower idea which you did not seem to dispute...
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:05 pm

Regardless, you have still seen the evidence (unlike what you said). Just beacuse you think the evidence is not supportive does not discount the fact that you clearly and inarguably saw it.


Semantics. That I have not seen any evidence that supports the selective having become the Aedra equals that what evidence I have seen does in my opinion not support the idea of the selective having become the Aedra.

Though I'm not 100% in support of the Selective-Aedra theory, I am pretty supportive of the Staff of Chaos = Selective's Tower idea which you did not seem to dispute...


The connection to the staff of chaos has become more and more coincidental, especially since the Nu-Mantia Intercept. Towers and towers have all the metaphysical properties related to gods and apotheosis, the staff of chaos is merely an artifact that gets no mention outside of Arena.

Its in the pinned F.A.Q.


You're killing my buzz. :P
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:20 pm

Its in the pinned F.A.Q.

Marukh was a Cyrodilic prophet who claimed to have visions of Saint Alessia (formerly Queen Alessia, first Emperor of Cyrodiil, who led the liberation of Heartland humans from their elven 'overlords' ca. 1E243). During the First Era, Marukh's austere, monotheistic doctrines were enforced throughout most of Tamriel under the aggressive, theocratic rule of the Alessian Reform. At least one of Marukh's teachings survives as a basic tenet of Cyrodilic law, "All are guilty until they have proven themselves innocent."

The Marukhati Selectives were members of a particularly fanatical and ritually elite Alessian sect of the First Era. They apparently caused the Dragon Break by magically attempting to separate the identity of Akatosh, the Cyrodilic Divine, from the elven god Auriel.

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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:32 pm

Oh yeah, whatever, sorry, I'm tired.

Marukh is a crazy Imga, ok?

H E R E S Y

I personally take this point seriously. Marukh was NOT crazy. Perrif visited him, and only through divine intervention would someone completely un-Cyrodiilic found one of the most polarizing orders in Cyrodiilic history. The Marukhati Selectives channeled the Auribis and erected their own tower, unmaking Aka-tosh until Auri-El was no longer a heretical aspect.
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Post » Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:23 am

The dreams of the mad are the nightmares of everyone else.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:39 am

Danke guys, i appreciate the help
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:43 pm

The connection to the staff of chaos has become more and more coincidental, especially since the Nu-Mantia Intercept. Towers and towers have all the metaphysical properties related to gods and apotheosis, the staff of chaos is merely an artifact that gets no mention outside of Arena.


Even mroe proof. The artifact is shrouded n complete mystery, as are the details of the Selective's ritual.

and only through divine intervention would someone completely un-Cyrodiilic found one of the most polarizing orders in Cyrodiilic history.


Divine maybe, but not the divinity he thought he was. I can imagine that whoever visited him in his dream purposely did so in the hopes of initiating a dragon break in the first pace. The only question is: who would benefit from such an action?
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 1:17 pm

Divine maybe, but not the divinity he thought he was. I can imagine that whoever visited him in his dream purposely did so in the hopes of initiating a dragon break in the first pace. The only question is: who would benefit from such an action?


That's such an incredibly ridiculous conclusion to make.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:08 pm

...but that was an un-conclusion.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 2:17 pm

...but that was an un-conclusion.

And I'd rather destroy than create.
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:09 am

And I'd rather destroy than create.



personally, I would have attacked the logical fallacy..... but eh. :P

(correlation does not indicate connection. The fact that both the Selective's tower/staff and the staff of chaos are both mysterious does not make them one and the same. ;))
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Post » Wed Sep 01, 2010 10:27 am

And that works too.
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